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#2808297 6-Nov-2021 07:35

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126894461/christchurch-appears-to-have-avoided-a-covid19-outbreak-how-did-that-happen

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#2808298 6-Nov-2021 07:42

quickymart:

A relative of mine is not anti-vaxx, but she says she would rather get the Jansen (I think Johnson & Johnson) vaccine rather than Pfizer. When I asked her why she paused and said it was due to the MRNA in the Pfizer one. Another relative used to run a chemist for many years, so he's quite clued-up on medicines (although he is not a doctor), and she says he explained the differences between them to her.

As an aside, I told her to ignore the bs from groups like Voices for Freedom; she is fully aware of them and does not pay any attention to them.

While I'm pleased she's not anti-vaxx, should I be concerned at what her concerns are? I worry about her as she is over 60 and while her health is okay, she could be at risk if she got the virus. She said she's going to wait until the latter becomes available. Apparently the J&J one (which I believe is non-MRNA) has been approved, but it's not offered here, right? I told her to talk to her GP to see what they could do for her.

Things get interesting now, turns out the relative who ran the chemist has advised all family on that side not to get the Pfizer vaccine due to there being a family history of heart conditions (which is true), and there could be possible side-effects. What concerned me was when she said "I've been doing my research but I'm not anti vaxx" - pointing out she has had all her other vaccinations, just not the coronavirus one. And I have a feeling she's not talking to me at the moment as I challenged Mr (former) Chemist's viewpoint.

Sigh. Families.

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#2808299 6-Nov-2021 07:44

Covid-19: New Pfizer pill cut hospitalisaton and death risk by nearly 90 per cent

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300447698/covid19-new-pfizer-pill-cut-hospitalisaton-and-death-risk-by-nearly-90-per-cent

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/05/health/pfizer-covid-antiviral-pill/index.html

Seems like the new (yet unnamed) PF-07321332 pfizer pill operates in a different way, but produces results in the same ballpark as Merck’s molnupiravir. Of particular importance the Pfizer pill trial included pregnant woman, unlike molnupiravir which did not due to a potential risk of birth defects.

Wonder if pfizer will also make their's red?

[Footnote] - as with molnupiravir, this pill was trialed on the un-vaccinated.

Bourla [pfizer CEO] said the pill could save millions of lives, but he still wanted to emphasize the importance of vaccination. But vaccines are not effective 100% effective, and not everyone will get vaccinated, Bourla said, something that can lead to crowded hospitals and ICUs.

"Now we have a solution for that, and this is exactly where it fits," Bourla said. "This is to treat those that unfortunately got the disease."

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#2808301 6-Nov-2021 07:51

quickymart:

quickymart:

A relative of mine is not anti-vaxx, but she says she would rather get the Jansen (I think Johnson & Johnson) vaccine rather than Pfizer. When I asked her why she paused and said it was due to the MRNA in the Pfizer one. Another relative used to run a chemist for many years, so he's quite clued-up on medicines (although he is not a doctor), and she says he explained the differences between them to her.

As an aside, I told her to ignore the bs from groups like Voices for Freedom; she is fully aware of them and does not pay any attention to them.

While I'm pleased she's not anti-vaxx, should I be concerned at what her concerns are? I worry about her as she is over 60 and while her health is okay, she could be at risk if she got the virus. She said she's going to wait until the latter becomes available. Apparently the J&J one (which I believe is non-MRNA) has been approved, but it's not offered here, right? I told her to talk to her GP to see what they could do for her.

Things get interesting now, turns out the relative who ran the chemist has advised all family on that side not to get the Pfizer vaccine due to there being a family history of heart conditions (which is true), and there could be possible side-effects. What concerned me was when she said "I've been doing my research but I'm not anti vaxx" - pointing out she has had all her other vaccinations, just not the coronavirus one. And I have a feeling she's not talking to me at the moment as I challenged Mr (former) Chemist's viewpoint.

Sigh. Families.

so you still think she's not a cult leader and not antivaxx?

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#2808305 6-Nov-2021 08:22

Stuff's new projections...

Sing along with me...

Slip slidin' away
Slip slidin' away
You know the nearer your destination
The more you're slip slidin' away

Delete cookies?! Are you insane?!

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#2808307 6-Nov-2021 08:29

I doubt our local DHB will get to 90% in 2021.

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#2808309 6-Nov-2021 08:30

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

Professor of Epidemiology Tony Blakely said on TVNZ news a few nights ago

Is he an expert?

A very good expert. He's an epidemiologist who has offered brilliant insight and balanced views into the pandemic since the start, and doesn't let political views get in the way like some of the NZ based commentators we keep hearing from.

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#2808333 6-Nov-2021 09:27

quickymart:

quickymart:

A relative of mine is not anti-vaxx, but she says she would rather get the Jansen (I think Johnson & Johnson) vaccine rather than Pfizer. When I asked her why she paused and said it was due to the MRNA in the Pfizer one. Another relative used to run a chemist for many years, so he's quite clued-up on medicines (although he is not a doctor), and she says he explained the differences between them to her.

As an aside, I told her to ignore the bs from groups like Voices for Freedom; she is fully aware of them and does not pay any attention to them.

While I'm pleased she's not anti-vaxx, should I be concerned at what her concerns are? I worry about her as she is over 60 and while her health is okay, she could be at risk if she got the virus. She said she's going to wait until the latter becomes available. Apparently the J&J one (which I believe is non-MRNA) has been approved, but it's not offered here, right? I told her to talk to her GP to see what they could do for her.

Things get interesting now, turns out the relative who ran the chemist has advised all family on that side not to get the Pfizer vaccine due to there being a family history of heart conditions (which is true), and there could be possible side-effects. What concerned me was when she said "I've been doing my research but I'm not anti vaxx" - pointing out she has had all her other vaccinations, just not the coronavirus one. And I have a feeling she's not talking to me at the moment as I challenged Mr (former) Chemist's viewpoint.

Sigh. Families.

Don't you just love it when someone with allied expertise gives advice on an area they don't have specialist knowledge of. There's a very good reason why you go to an orthopedic surgeon for a knee replacement and not a dentist.

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#2808394 6-Nov-2021 09:57

I think I'll just let it go. I'm not going to win and I don't want to damage the relationship with this relative of mine, who I am quite close to - I've obviously struck a nerve. It's her personal choice and if I can't change her mind, so be it.

Don't get me wrong, the ex-chemist is a really nice guy (I like him a lot too) and he knows a bit about medicine. But he is not a doctor. Unfortunately, his opinion means more than mine, so I'm going to fight it, it's going to expend too much of my energy.

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#2808400 6-Nov-2021 10:01

UPDATE: Pfizer's oral COVID-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%, sending team barreling to FDA | FierceBiotech

Pfizer’s oral COVID-19 antiviral Paxlovid has cut the risk of hospitalization or death by 85% in a late-phase trial, prompting the Big Pharma to stop the study and race to seek emergency use authorization from the FDA.

Merck showed oral antivirals can make a difference in COVID-19 around one month ago, presenting late-phase data showing its candidate halved the risk of hospitalization and death. Comparing results from different studies can give a misleading impression, but, on the surface, it appears Pfizer may have reset expectations of efficacy for oral antivirals.

Pfizer’s phase 2/3 trial randomized non-hospitalized adult COVID-19 patients who were at high risk of progressing to severe illness to receive placebo or Paxlovid, a combination of the protease inhibitors PF-07321332 and ritonavir. The efficacy analysis is based on 1,219 patients.

There were six hospitalizations and no deaths among the 607 patients who received Paxlovid within five days of symptom onset, compared to 41 hospitalizations and 10 deaths in the placebo cohort. The rates of hospitalization or death in the Paxlovid and control arms were 1% and 6.7%, respectively, resulting in a risk reduction of 85%.

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#2808404 6-Nov-2021 10:05

There does seem to be a cult aspect to the anti-vax movement. I don't understand it at all, but I am in a similar position with a very close friend. He is still the wonderful person he always was in every other respect, and I can have great conversations with him on every other subject, but he absolutely believes the anti-vax propaganda and there seems to be no changing his mind on that. We each know how the other feels and we have agreed to disagree. I am not prepared to give up a very important and valuable friendship over this.

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#2808406 6-Nov-2021 10:13

quickymart:

I think I'll just let it go. I'm not going to win and I don't want to damage the relationship with this relative of mine, who I am quite close to - I've obviously struck a nerve. It's her personal choice and if I can't change her mind, so be it.

Don't get me wrong, the ex-chemist is a really nice guy (I like him a lot too) and he knows a bit about medicine. But he is not a doctor. Unfortunately, his opinion means more than mine, so I'm going to fight it, it's going to expend too much of my energy.

Yep, when they're down the rabbit hole or even on the edge of falling in, biting your tongue is very often the only option.

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#2808421 6-Nov-2021 10:47

I know so many people who have relatives in the rabbit hole, and have my own in-laws in it too. welcome to 2020, decade of alternative truth.

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#2808423 6-Nov-2021 10:49

Auckland gets to travel https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-jacinda-ardern-promises-aucklanders-can-travel-at-christmas/SOY6AQE73AXYOKU7WUKD4TG6VM/

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#2808431 6-Nov-2021 11:04

On home isolation for travellers, Ardern said once there was home isolation checks and balances were needed, so a good system was needed. That was because if there were no limits on incoming travellers, about 30,000 - 40,000 people could be isolating in any week and that raised the risk of Covid-19 cases.

I read somewhere a few days ago that Singapore are seeing a positivity rate of around 1/1000 travelers which is a LOT higher than the rate we're seeing for arrivals in NZ. So that means potentially a worst case scenario of 30-40 per week (who will be in isolation and not in the community) could test positive vs the ~150 or so per day positive cases we are seeing right now, with the vast majority of these being active in the community while infectious.

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