2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2808802 7-Nov-2021 14:33

Oblivian: Super Saturday 3 weeker..
Across New Zealand there were 33,867 vaccinations yesterday including 7,401 first doses.

Reporting as less than 200 left to 90% 1sts for counties. 3 weeks later...

3 weeks later + some for the drop off between 1st and 2nds and the law of diminishing returns for 1sts to get you to the point where you've made up for it?

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#2808824 7-Nov-2021 15:04

One step at a time. Complete the first dose, then work on the second dose. Not saying that Akl should wait to open up, that's a separate debate, but for the sole purpose of vaccination, one step at a time.

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#2808826 7-Nov-2021 15:06

Oblivian: To don a phrase from a few years back

~~Winter~~ Covid is coming

And sure to catch the 'it's not real' right out.

No it won't of we get hundreds and thousands of the new miracle pills that will elevate these legends to superhuman status, following in the pilgrimage of their supreme leader whose name may not be mentioned again on this thread.

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#2808833 7-Nov-2021 15:09

gzt: Pak and Save for the first time in a while yesterday. The surprising thing - they are still doing trolly swap at the checkout. Pile your stuff on the conveyer and it goes into the trolly left behind by the previous customer. Not sensible.

Oblivian: It's not completely un sensible. quote]It's not to avoid fomite transmission. That's been put to pastures when delta is so aerosol transmissible. It's to avoid queues and long term face to face. The faster you are out, the faster the ones waiting due the inside person limits get in. The less chance you are interacting with the operator

There's no need for this risk at all. It's Delta, many times more transmissible.

You're saying it doesn't happen. That's not my understanding, reinforced by a few minutes googling. In terms of the advantages, makes very little difference to throughput. On a personal level, handsanitiser always in the back pocket for times like this. There is no good reason for this risk.

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#2808905 7-Nov-2021 15:57

It doesn't make a difference to throughput? Perhaps you've forgotten how a supermarket that allows it with fewer limitations looks?
average one in chc with multi check-out are back to long queues backed up down the isles again that takes persuasion for them to open more.

Remember risk comes in many layers.

Such as the reason they expect users to sanitize as they enter, and the handles. And provide it to do so. This is a badic level of fomite insurance from someone sneezing on their hand between the car and putting mask on for instance.

Another is limiting the numbers in store.

Asking everyone to wear a mask.
Checkout isle dividers.

Another is to not allow close proximity - Preventing isle/checkout congestion where people are stationary (or take the p out of their lip service mask use) or the length of time you are near someone.
Ie.. get in, get out, pack your stuff outside.

I didn't say it doesn't happen. But he NZ focus is clearly not totally on fomite. after all these cold storage and kiwifruit stories that have not lead to much. But passing by an akl hotel hallway or reception with short screens has.

And It's shown household, person to person direct, cafes, pubs, or meeting people and breathing near them has been the main driver to our outbreak.

People need to take own responsibility/precautions for fomite, as your own example. It shouldn't all be on the supermarket.

Regardless. All of them make sense. Including restricting standing around packing.

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#2808934 7-Nov-2021 16:40

cokemaster:

We went out and about in Auckland. Pretty much there are basket ball games going down, skate bowls are fully populated, playgrounds are fairly busy too... heck even the bushwalk carpark was full with folks parking on the grass.
Its even possible to get your hair cut too, by a proper hairdresser. Its a cash business, done discretely and organised via certain messaging platforms.

Walking both locally and in the bush - most people are maskless, probably about 70-30. The only time we see consistent masking is around supermarkets + other shops.

And they wonder why it is spreading faster than the PMs modeling. The PMs graph apparently showed 200 a day (1400 a week) by the end of November. But it is 200 now. Hendys modeling which the government is also supposedly using seems to be similar to how it is currently tracking and we will soon be at 300 a day (possibly there now if everyone was being tested). I see National are calling for NZers to be able to come home now and self isolate at home. But 10s of thousands coming back is going to increase the cases and throw off the modeling, and the current restrictions are largely based on our health capacity which is very low compared to other countries. Plus we don't want the new mutant Delta variant from UK when full vaccination is still low (approx 3.2 mill out of 5 million) which apparently increases the R0 rate a bit.

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#2808937 7-Nov-2021 16:44

Oblivian:
Asking everyone to wear a mask.
Checkout isle dividers.

I wonder how long it will be before people are required wear proper medical masks rather than cloth masks. Experts have been calling for this and it potentially could reduce the transmission rate. Also saw someone on TV being interviewed yesterday saying they came to be tested as they had bad cold symptoms, but they didn't even have the mask covering their nose.

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#2808946 7-Nov-2021 16:57

in my opinion never. pragmatism over absolute. if you set unattainable goals nobody will follow them. it's not like that's a guarantee to stop transmission. soon everybody will get it anyway.

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#2808954 7-Nov-2021 17:12

Batman:

in my opinion never. pragmatism over absolute. if you set unattainable goals nobody will follow them. it's not like that's a guarantee to stop transmission. soon everybody will get it anyway.

+100. It's become clear that the double-jabs for all DHBs thing is equally fanciful - CMDHB was meant to be 'any day this week' about two weeks ago, from memory. They're still not there yet.

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#2809022 7-Nov-2021 20:28

Press release:

Counties Manukau DHB has reached 90 percent first doses today, meaning all three Auckland DHBs have now crossed the 90 percent threshold for first doses, a key milestone on the path to Auckland opening up, Minister for COVID-19 Response Chris Hipkins says.

Auckland DHB is at 95 percent first doses and 87 percent second doses. Waitemata DHB is 92 first doses and 83 percent second doses. Counties Manukau is now at 90 first doses and 80 percent second doses.

Auckland will move across into the new traffic light system with fewer restrictions once all three DHBs have reached 90 percent fully vaccinated.

“Auckland is leading the way with vaccinations, and it is exciting to see Counties Manukau reach that all important 90 percent first dose figure,” Chris Hipkins said.

“Today we are an important step closer to Auckland transitioning to the new traffic light system which means restrictions will ease once each DHB is 90 percent second dose.

“There’s been a huge amount of targeted work going on by local health providers to make vaccines easily accessible and to address hesitancy. It’s really pleasing to see that work paying off.

“In particular the work of Māori and Pacific providers in Counties Manukau is succeeding. Getting to 90 percent first doses required pulling out all the stops in Auckland. This has included literally going door to door to ensure people are vaccinated.

“Getting every DHB in Auckland up to 90 percent fully vaccinated is within our reach. On current daily rates we could be there within three weeks so long as people return for their second dose.

“Everyone wants restrictions eased as soon as possible. We need to keep going and get those final second doses so we can ease restrictions with high rates of vaccination and high levels of confidence,” Chris Hipkins said.

- In the last 7 days, on average Auckland residents were administered 1,743 first doses, and 6,175 second doses.
- Of Auckland’s Māori population, 79% have received their first dose and 63% have received their second.
- Of Auckland’s Pacific population, 85% have received their first dose and 72% have received their second dose.

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#2809029 7-Nov-2021 20:35

So hopefully 3 weeks from now 90% double vax!

which means by dec Auckland will be the most vaccinated place in the country?

our country has standards you know (ok maybe just AKL and some other regions)

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#2809036 7-Nov-2021 20:48

Now they need to start putting an equivalent effort into the regions as they have for Auckland. In reality Auckland and other metropolitan areas are comparatively easier to get across the 90% hurdle than many regional areas. I'm not sure the city centric MOH realise some of the issues facing many regional areas when it comes to getting people vaccinated.

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#2809052 7-Nov-2021 21:48

Wairarapa DHB is 66% double.

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#2809061 7-Nov-2021 22:57

Technofreak: Now they need to start putting an equivalent effort into the regions as they have for Auckland. In reality Auckland and other metropolitan areas are comparatively easier to get across the 90% hurdle than many regional areas. I'm not sure the city centric MOH realise some of the issues facing many regional areas when it comes to getting people vaccinated.

I think each DHB has largely been in charge of it's own roll out, but it has not got to the point where some are helping others out.

TV News article tonight about a large convoy of vehicles leaving Auckland to assist with the vaccination effort in north-land. Large rental camper-vans (with large vaccination branding), plus a raft of support vehicles (i.e. hatchbacks with roof mounted loud speakers).

I believe Canterbury DHB has also sent a lot of resources assist the West Coast with their vaccination efforts.

Personally I don't think we should be reducing effort in Auckland (but acknowledge that approaching saturation means less staff will be needed in vaccination centers) . Large cities simply have more opportunity for transmission than smaller centers and rural area's.

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#2809063 7-Nov-2021 23:21

Scott3:
I believe Canterbury DHB has also sent a lot of resources assist the West Coast with their vaccination efforts.

When I went past the airport (dhb) centre on Sat, there was the jabber waka + 5 other rentals. I gathered they were going to go on a mish, or had been

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