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#2809065 7-Nov-2021 23:43

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Large cities simply have more opportunity for transmission than smaller centers and rural area's.

I agree but the metric being used everywhere is 90% of the eligible population vaccinated when perhaps in low population densities a lower percentage would be just as effective as 90% in a city.

Getting some areas to 90% is going to be a tall ask.There are several reasons. A couple of examples, the isolation gives a greater sense of "the virus is no where close to here therefore it's not a problem" (lack of motivation), no vaccination points nearby/long way to drive to get vaccinated/only go to town sporadically (lack of access). These areas are going to take a very different approach to the cities and require different resourcing.

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#2809116 7-Nov-2021 23:53

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Scott3:

Large cities simply have more opportunity for transmission than smaller centers and rural area's.

I agree but the metric being used everywhere is 90% of the eligible population vaccinated when perhaps in low population densities a lower percentage would be just as effective as 90% in a city.

Getting some areas to 90% is going to be a tall ask.There are several reasons. A couple of examples, the isolation gives a greater sense of "the virus is no where close to here therefore it's not a problem" (lack of motivation), no vaccination points nearby/long way to drive to get vaccinated/only go to town sporadically (lack of access). These areas are going to take a very different approach to the cities and require different resourcing.

As the DG said, 90% is just a milestone, not a target. It was the media that came up with 90% target, and then the MOH later said that it needs to be at least 90%. But some of the top experts have said that it needs to be a lot higher. Plus even if we reach a very high %, there will still be a million unvaccinated. That, combined with a percentage of vaccinated people, is still going to put a huge load on the health system. IMO instead we need to be looking at the health capacity. Luckily there are some new antiviral drugs that may help a lot but IMO NZ is still vulnerable compared to other countries with better ICU and health capacity, which would be most we compare ourselves with.

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#2809119 8-Nov-2021 00:09

Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

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#2809121 8-Nov-2021 00:42

Zeon:

Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

IMO if the government were going to pay people to get vaccinated, they would have done it by now, because not having a highly vaccinated population is costing far more than the cost to give everyone a helicopter payment carrot. Plus they would then also have to do it for boasters in the future, otherwise NZs vaccination would drop off later next year. Also do they then also give everyone who has done the right thing, and got vaccinated early, a payment?. eg Why should people who have been holding off hoping for money be rewarded for doing that, when they intend to get vaccinated anyway. Plus it is a pretty big health risk, along with risking others with being more likely to spread it.

Many people are getting vaccinated for the community and thinking about others rather than themselves, as it is a team effort.

Yes, IMO having a sweepstake like they are doing overseas, would have likely been a far better idea. A hundred million in prizes?

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#2809137 8-Nov-2021 06:02

Zeon:
Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

I don't believe her. Why cos she's a real estate agent. My in law is a real estate agent and I don't believe anything she says. Sorry bro you have a lot to learn in life.

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#2809140 8-Nov-2021 06:38

mattwnz:

but IMO NZ is still vulnerable compared to other countries with better ICU and health capacity, which would be most we compare ourselves with.

Thats true, but most countries went to freedom day with less vaccinated, so they then dealt with an epidemic of the unvaccinated. If our goal is higher vaccinations, then many of the hesitant, Im young enough and anti-vaxxers pose less risk of a health system blowout.

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#2809141 8-Nov-2021 06:39

Batman:
Zeon:

Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

I don't believe her. Why cos she's a real estate agent. My in law is a real estate agent and I don't believe anything she says. Sorry bro you have a lot to learn in life.

She's an outlier, no interest in the vaccine, so let her play her cards and she can deal with that when it catches up with her.

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#2809142 8-Nov-2021 06:41

Geektastic: Wairarapa DHB is 66% double.

Not sure where you got your information from but according to the MoH at https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data we are at 75% in the Wairarapa

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#2809143 8-Nov-2021 06:45

Zeon:

Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

That's just being stupid.

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#2809144 8-Nov-2021 07:13

I don't have NZH Premium, but this looks interesting: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-delta-outbreak-spark-subsidiary-mattr-wins-key-vaccine-pass-contract/WU3ABDBP5BDINVMITLHK5AI3GY/

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#2809146 8-Nov-2021 07:52

They won't up the incentive much more than they already have. Your friend is hoping for something that simply won't happen (like my relative, hanging out for the J&J vaccine, which may also never happen either).

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#2809147 8-Nov-2021 07:54

James Bond:
I don't have NZH Premium, but this looks interesting: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-delta-outbreak-spark-subsidiary-mattr-wins-key-vaccine-pass-contract/WU3ABDBP5BDINVMITLHK5AI3GY/

That was announced last week. I believe Freitasm had the press release on one of the threads

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#2809150 8-Nov-2021 08:04

Zeon:

Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

Shes being a selfish twat and should be told as much...

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#2809152 8-Nov-2021 08:09

cshwone:

Geektastic: Wairarapa DHB is 66% double.

Not sure where you got your information from but according to the MoH at https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data we are at 75% in the Wairarapa

Here

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126761366/covid19-vaccine-target-for-dhbs-how-close-to-90-per-cent-is-your-region

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#2809153 8-Nov-2021 08:10

sen8or:
Zeon:

Interesting new perspective.... Was speaking with a friend who is a real estate agent in Auckland on Friday. She is holding out on getting her vaccine until the "incentive" reaches at least $500 worth. Since she doesn't really work from the office so vaccine mandates aren't affecting her. Not sure if its a unique thought pattern but perhaps an unintended consequence of the incentive scheme. The Australian one with a lottery may have been a better approach....

Shes being a selfish twat and should be told as much...

I'd be going the other way and increasing tax rates for the unvaccinated by 5% to allow for the potential extra cost of their choice.

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