2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2814243 17-Nov-2021 08:58

Looking at both sides of the coin, I can understand why they’ve applied it this way. Often those who decline vaccination will have dependents, having the welfare as an option provides a safety mat.

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#2814246 17-Nov-2021 09:00

Maybe this is an indication of our future.

Covid-19: Pubs curfew and working at home return in Ireland - BBC News

90% vaccination rate for 12+ as well.

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#2814254 17-Nov-2021 09:11

cokemaster: Looking at both sides of the coin, I can understand why they’ve applied it this way. Often those who decline vaccination will have dependents, having the welfare as an option provides a safety mat.

I don't see why people who leave jobs who also have dependents should be treated differently when it comes to a stand-down/cooling-off period.

They should at the very least be treated the same, even if it is admittedly poorly. But in no way should vaccine-hesitant people get priority treatment.

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#2814265 17-Nov-2021 09:18

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Mmmm, cake...

I saw a few more sob stories from teachers who had to leave their jobs yesterday as well as a lengthy FB post from someone on a community group looking for sympathy for people who are now out of work.

Edit: a blood condition means she can't get the vaccine? News to me:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/11/covid-19-unvaccinated-canterbury-teacher-soul-destroyed-after-being-stood-down-calls-jab-mandate-a-human-rights-issue.html

@tdgeek, you're right, sorry...that wasn't the best wording, I've changed it.

"I've been teaching human rights for a very long time, I've taught all about the Government systems and what is right and what is wrong... and what I am seeing now is actually really devastating.

"It feels like all our rights are being taken away. "

She does not mention the High Court decision in the article. If or when she does get vaccinated and her job back, I would not like to be in her 'human rights' class ! The biasses will be exponential.

"How can a Government do this to people... we've got teachers who've been there for 20 or 30 years and they literally get handed a one-week stand-down [period] or you're out. It's barbaric, it's revolting".

How long a warning has ALL these people had !

Then the article says: She went on to say even if she didn't have the blood condition she wouldn't get the vaccine because she thinks mandates are a "human rights" issue.

Again, another member of the selfish society and if that is her stance and interpretation of Human Rights, then she should not be teaching.

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#2814271 17-Nov-2021 09:22

FineWine:

Again, another member of the selfish society and if that is her stance and interpretation of Human Rights, then she should not be teaching.

I think kids and their families also have rights to be safe?

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#2814274 17-Nov-2021 09:29

FineWine:

Then the article says: She went on to say even if she didn't have the blood condition she wouldn't get the vaccine because she thinks mandates are a "human rights" issue.

Again, another member of the selfish society and if that is her stance and interpretation of Human Rights, then she should not be teaching.

She is welcome to her protest. She is welcome to her choice. Those are examples of her rights in action.

She's just unable to accept that her actions have consequences. That's what she's actually complaining about.

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#2814277 17-Nov-2021 09:31

I should also add I'm fairly cynical when it comes to teachers but by and large almost all of them have been vaccinated, even if reluctantly, so they've done a bang-up job there with getting the message out.

Of course, we're going to hear more from the ones who think having tenure of service means they shouldn't have to follow public health orders during a pandemic. One of my parents works part time in a school as a support worker. She has a right to a safe workplace; none of these idiots ever seen to understand their rights end where others' begin.

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#2814290 17-Nov-2021 09:47

GV27:

She has a right to a safe workplace

Thats it in a nutshell. yes, you have rights to not get vaccinated, that's fine. But the rest of us have rights as well

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#2814315 17-Nov-2021 10:04

The My Vaccine Pass system is up and running as of 9am today.

The site is very busy - I got several "Too Many Requests" messages, fixed with the F5 key.

How to get My Vaccine Pass

Requesting your pass only takes a few minutes and will be emailed to you within 24 hours.

The quickest way to get your pass is through your My Covid Record ... [ https://mycovidrecord.health.nz/ ]

If you are unable to login to My Covid Record or are experiencing any other issues with requesting your Vaccine Pass, please be patient.
My Vaccine Pass will not be needed for another several weeks. If you can wait for a few days, it can help ease any demand on the IT system and call centre staff.

Login to My Covid Record: go to "Request pass or certificate" > "Select a pass or certificate"

I got an email with my PDF pass document within seconds. 🙂

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#2814372 17-Nov-2021 10:25

That's actually working pretty well.

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#2814373 17-Nov-2021 10:27

I think some of this comes from the American values(?) system of "I have a right to freedom". Yes, yes you do, but that doesn't meant you're free of consequences for your choices.

Sure, you don't need to have the vaccine, your choice. But it's also the school's choice not to employ you for health and safety reasons (if that makes sense).

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#2814376 17-Nov-2021 10:36

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The My Vaccine Pass system is up and running as of 9am today.

The site is very busy - I got several "Too Many Requests" messages, fixed with the F5 key.

How to get My Vaccine Pass

Requesting your pass only takes a few minutes and will be emailed to you within 24 hours.

The quickest way to get your pass is through your My Covid Record ... [ https://mycovidrecord.health.nz/ ]

If you are unable to login to My Covid Record or are experiencing any other issues with requesting your Vaccine Pass, please be patient.
My Vaccine Pass will not be needed for another several weeks. If you can wait for a few days, it can help ease any demand on the IT system and call centre staff.

In My Covid Record: go to "Request pass or certificate" > "Select a pass or certificate"

I got an email with my PDF pass document within seconds. 🙂

Yep done and dusted for myself and partner. It took about 10 minutes with some page refreshes but otherwise very simple exercise.

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#2814397 17-Nov-2021 11:16

SJB:

Maybe this is an indication of our future.

Covid-19: Pubs curfew and working at home return in Ireland - BBC News

90% vaccination rate for 12+ as well.

This is the real issue for me, and it seems nobody wants to talk about it. I have no doubt this will be our future you only need to look overseas to see most highly vaccinated countries are locking down again months after opening up.

I personally think we'll have parts of NZ locked down through early to mid 2022 and ongoing issues with hospital capacity for a long while yet. Let everyone out to enjoy some Christmas cheer but at what long term cost?

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#2814422 17-Nov-2021 11:51

took a few times to log in, but once I got there, very quick and easy to do and pass emailed almost instantly. Easily added to IOS wallet

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#2814477 17-Nov-2021 11:59

quickymart:

I think some of this comes from the American values(?) system of "I have a right to freedom". Yes, yes you do, but that doesn't meant you're free of consequences for your choices.

Sure, you don't need to have the vaccine, your choice. But it's also the school's choice not to employ you for health and safety reasons (if that makes sense).

I wonder (don't know, just wonder) if some of it does not come from an earlier generation, now grown up and working as teachers, that experienced a cotton wool upbringing where no-one ever failed or lost out or came second or had any impulse or whim denied. The result is adults, even teachers, who simply cannot comprehend anything beyond their 'right' to do any spoiled brat thing they like. They simply cannot see a connection between their personal freedom and someone else's personal injury.

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