debo:

How stupid do they think people are?

wellygary:

 

Nice little sting in the tail for unvaxxed travellers this summer...

 

 

 

"Some transport providers, such as Air New Zealand and Cook Strait ferry operators, may require you to show a vaccine pass or negative COVID-19 test result, taken within 72 hours before your journey, before boarding if you are aged 12 or above. 

 

Testing for this purpose is not available at community testing centres. If you need a test to travel you must arrange and pay for it yourself."

 

 

 

Apparently tests to leave Auckland are still free but the cost is under review,,, and it looks like only certain places will do them for domestic travel 

 

"Details on where this testing can be undertaken will be provided as soon as possible."

 

https://covid19.govt.nz/traffic-lights/life-at-red/travel-and-accommodation-at-red/travel-at-red/

 

 

 

Oh no!!!  :-)

But they can drive to their anti vaxxer mates in the next suburb and have beers and wines, Im quite ok with that

rugrat:

 

debo:

 

How stupid do they think people are? Any one who wants a negative test will just say they have been in contact with a positive case. Are they going to start deny testing?

 

Depends on the evidence given for being tested general reason vs evidence given when being tested for travel.

 

If given the same evidence of negative no matter what reason for being tested then Yep you are right. I assume text message is the most common one.

 

At the moment you are looking at a five day turn around, unless you are positive then you should be contacted directly much sooner.

And you would imagine the five day turn around will be even longer if people flood the public health system asking for tests for nefarious reasons.

So they are buggered anyway.

Scott3:

Popular journalist and staunch anti-vaxxer dies of Covid-19

neb:

Scott3:

 

Popular journalist and staunch anti-vaxxer dies of Covid-19

 

Reported by a friend: He was chatting in a group of people, one of whom was an antivaxxer, and pointed this out to the antivaxxer as a documented example of what happens when you don't get vaccinated. The antivaxxer responded that the government had sent out people to deliberately infect this guy, as they had done with many others, and then arranged with the hospital that he be given improper treatment to ensure that he died. This is the level of insanity that the government and medical community is up against...

In the age of the internet and social media society feels as though it is going quietly mad. One wonders when Covid is controlled, as someday, some years from now it almost certainly will be, that we will be left with a lot of crazy people. I say crazy people in a non offensive way,I used to enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but to be good, it has to be plausible, I find nothing enjoyable about the techno paranoia and the new world order rubbish these people are into.

Bottom line none of it is plausible. If you were going to make nano tech to enter the human body and control people it would be in the water supply and that would be the end of that. The last place you would put it is in a vaccine.

Sup:

Bottom line none of it is plausible. If you were going to make nano tech to enter the human body and control people it would be in the water supply and that would be the end of that.

neb:

Sup:

 

Bottom line none of it is plausible. If you were going to make nano tech to enter the human body and control people it would be in the water supply and that would be the end of that.

 

BREAKING / Fox News / Psychologist admits socialist government is putting mind-control nanobots in drinking water!

OMG the truth is out there now for all to see.

rugrat:

 

Depends on the evidence given for being tested general reason vs evidence given when being tested for travel.

 

If given the same evidence of negative no matter what reason for being tested then Yep you are right. I assume text message is the most common one.

 

Yeah, there has been a pathway to get a paid. test for the purpose of international travel.

If you want the formal test result from the ministry of health, that an international airline will accept, you will need to pay for it.

If you are happy with a text message result, you can easily get a free one.

Hopefully Air NZ won't be accepting the easily defrauded text messages. Would be a pretty poor look for the airline to be freeloading on the community testing centers for it's own benefit.

Test's for those leaving Auckland will be free. Not sure how exactly that will be checked. Perhaps police & aviation security will be given a secure webpage where the test unique ID that gets included in text messages can be verified to belong to that person.

Sup:

 

At the moment you are looking at a five day turn around, unless you are positive then you should be contacted directly much sooner.

 

And you would imagine the five day turn around will be even longer if people flood the public health system asking for tests for nefarious reasons.

 

 

 

So they are buggered anyway.

 

Yip. Really a change in policy is needed to reflect slow processing time.

I think that police & airlines will just end up accepting 2.5 day old tests even if no results are back for domestic travel around Christmas.

But it must be really worrying for those with international flights booked. Policies are strict on those ones.

Scott3:

 

Test's for those leaving Auckland will be free. Not sure how exactly that will be checked. Perhaps police & aviation security will be given a secure webpage where the test unique ID that gets included in text messages can be verified to belong to that person.

 

The government should not have allowed free community tests to be used for this purpose - it really is another "why is this happening" moment like the fact business is not required to scan and verify vaccine passes. The anti vaxxers won, and this is just further proof of that. Travel is not an essential activity, and if you chose to not be vaccinated then you should have to face some consequences - but right now there aren't many.

I don't buy into the "but it just ends up being surveillance testing" argument that some are using.

It's also ridiculous that the govt won't fund saliva testing for many who require weekly surveillance testing such as many health workers and GP surgeries, and yet will fund a nasopharyngeal test for an antivaxxer who wants to go on holiday.

 

But it must be really worrying for those with international flights booked. Policies are strict on those ones.

 

i think vaccine passes should be scrapped to avoid further division, embarrassment, mickey mouse games.

was a good idea, but this is not how it should be i don't think.

there must be a better way ...

but this is what i think will happen, like speed limit. speed limit 100, many will drive at 104, and some will go at 220.

so some will do it 100% right, many will kind of do it but have that 4% "tolerance", and as you have seen, some will completely ignore. (i'm guessing that's about 10% of the crowd?)

again, i won't lose any sleep over it. got better things to spend my energy on ... can't wait for a warm summer ...

Batman:

i think vaccine passes should be scrapped to avoid further division, embarrassment, mickey mouse games.

was a good idea, but this is not how it should be i don't think.

there must be a better way ...

For those who also didn't see it, the full legislation came out yesterday for the traffic light system.

There are a couple of interesting scenarios - malls for example can enforce vaccine certificates but have to allow dedicated access to essential basic needs businesses (such as pharmacies and supermarkets) for those who don't have a vaccine pass. It'll be very interesting to see how they do this if these facilities are in the middle of a mall with no dedicated external access.

It's going to be very interesting to see how well things work here compared to other countries.

Batman:

 

i think vaccine passes should be scrapped to avoid further division

 

Not sure what division you are referring to. Maybe you mean vaccinated and anti-vaxxers possibly?  Perhaps you mean that

There is no division. Circa 96% vs 4% thats hardly a division. That the 96% don't hammer the news and social media is a plain example that given a pandemic the VAST majority get medical treatment, just as they do for other ailments. If a squeaky wheel small number wish to hammer the news, just remember that the stats show there is a pandemic and medical measures and 96% of us follow the normal management of ourselves and others.

Dont get sucked into believing that Tamaki et al represent a huge part of NZ. 

sbiddle:

 

You can't use a free test for international travel. Considering these have to be booked and paid for (and far more profitable that govt funded tests) you'd hope labs are prioritising this work.

 

They are. My wife is getting a test done at the doctors which she will then take to Medlab in Timaru. You fill in a form with contact and flight details, the sample goes to Christchurch the same day and they prioritize testing based on flight dates/times.

sbiddle:

 

For those who also didn't see it, the full legislation came out yesterday for the traffic light system.

 

There are a couple of interesting scenarios - malls for example can enforce vaccine certificates but have to allow dedicated access to essential basic needs businesses (such as pharmacies and supermarkets) for those who don't have a vaccine pass. It'll be very interesting to see how they do this if these facilities are in the middle of a mall with no dedicated external access.

 

It's going to be very interesting to see how well things work here compared to other countries.

 

Thats an interesting point. But isnt this just an outlier problem? Looking at exceptions as if they dominant the process? There are massive numbers of supermarkets and pharmacies that are not in a mall. Given that if a supermarket has external access they no doubt have internal access to the mall, and its silly to scan on entry then scan on another entry. Id suggest common sense will prevail, and that such stores become part of the mall, so access is denied. Too much effort and cost would be needed for such exceptions.