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#2440997 19-Mar-2020 08:22

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Not sure how more transparent you can be, every communication I have seen is there is no need to panic buy.

And that will translate to, I agree no need to panic buy, but I'll stock up myself just in case! Its just me, no biggie....

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#2440998 19-Mar-2020 08:22

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-plan.html

US Government plan leaked to NYT, 18 months or more with multiple waves of infection. Shortages expected.

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#2441000 19-Mar-2020 08:32

Jimmy Kimmel’s Quarantine Minilogue - Home with Kids, Trump, Tom Brady & St. Patrick’s Day

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Since we aren’t doing shows right now during this Coronavirus quarantine, Jimmy has nothing to do. He’s bored and he figured some of you may be as well so he decided that he’s going to shoot mini monologues at his house. In today’s #minilogue Jimmy talks about being home with his kids, how Donald Trump is handling all of this.

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#2441004 19-Mar-2020 08:41

geekiegeek:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-plan.html

US Government plan leaked to NYT, 18 months or more with multiple waves of infection. Shortages expected.

naturally that means Trump will stay as president next year. elected or otherwise.

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#2441005 19-Mar-2020 08:45

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kingdragonfly: Before watching this video, even though monkeys are our closest relatives, remember we're in New Zealand, and we produce more food than we can eat. We won't be having food riots.

But remember that to produce all that food we need imported stuff... fuel, tractors, fertilizer, etc, etc. And we need labour... someone's got to milk the cows. Already the kiwifruit growers are complaining about not enough labour (although that seems to be an annual thing, and the growers I assume aren't willing to increase wages above minimum wage to attract more workers).

And the government is paying businesses to keep on employees with nothing to do. Essentially to go back home and watch TV. The government should have spent the money on companies that have actual work that needs to be done. That kiwifruit is going to be left unpicked. What a waste.

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#2441007 19-Mar-2020 08:48

Behind a paywall... The US is not the best example for any country to follow.

New York Times: Can California Keep 9 Million People at Home?

Eight counties in Northern California have ordered residents to “shelter in place.” In the Sacramento area, residents were also being asked to stay home as much as possible.

By Thomas Fuller, Jack Nicas and Kate Conger

...The most ambitious experiment in America to stop the spread of the coronavirus — shelter-in-place orders for almost every resident — was underway for seven million people living around the San Francisco Bay on Tuesday. Another two million people were being asked to stay home under similar directives in the Sacramento and Monterey areas on Wednesday.

Silicon Valley was a sea of nearly empty office parking lots. Therapy and yoga classes continued — but online.

...Seven counties on Monday ordered that people stay inside — and leave their homes only to “obtain or perform vital services.” Health officers described it as a radical but necessary step to save lives. With more than 200 confirmed infections and five deaths attributed to the coronavirus in Silicon Valley alone, officials say what has been a major hot spot for the disease is worsening quickly.

...As other parts of the country contemplate similar measures, the shelter-in-place order in the Bay Area is testing the willingness of a go-it-alone society to curb personal behavior for the greater good of the community, especially older people and those vulnerable to severe disease because of medical conditions.

It is also an effort that does not come without huge costs for the tens thousands of people whose jobs in the Bay Area rely on people patronizing restaurants, taking taxis, staying in hotels or appreciating art and music.

At the heart of the order is the difference between essential and nonessential, a distinction that seemed open to interpretation.

A store selling house paints in Santa Clara, in Silicon Valley, was open, but a nearby shoe store was closed. In Oakland on Tuesday a few joggers with their dogs ran along the banks of Lake Merritt.

In San Francisco, construction workers installed partition walls on skyscrapers. Starbucks baristas stood ready to serve the rare customer. Traffic police officers pasted parking tickets onto windshields. Late on Tuesday, City Hall reversed an earlier decision by declaring that marijuana dispensaries were considered essential and could remain open.

Some people who went to work said, essential or nonessential, they would not survive without the income.

In the shadow of San Francisco’s tallest building, Ricardo Valencia trimmed back the branches of sidewalk trees.

“The government says stay at home,” Mr. Valencia said. “But who is going to pay the rent?”

Juan Carrillo, the owner of a taco truck who was fueling in Richmond, across the Bay from San Francisco, said he would stay open until someone ordered him to stop.

“This is what I do for a living. If we close down for two, three weeks, it’s going to be a problem,” Mr. Carrillo said. His employees, he said, have enough to survive “day by day.”

And across the Bay Area there were those who had nowhere else to go: more than 30,000 homeless people live in the counties affected by the orders.

It was left up to the counties and cities to decide what was essential and in a modern society, it turns out, that can be a lot.

Mike Callagy, the county manager for San Mateo, one of the jurisdictions carrying out the order, went down a partial list of what was staying open: child protective services, the sheriff’s offices, the jails, sewer maintenance crews and homeless services.

Health care outlets, pharmacies, gas stations and grocery stores are allowed to remain open and receive customers, according to guidance by the city of San Francisco. Also exempted: farmers’ markets, car repair shops, hardware stores, dry cleaners and companies that provide payroll or security.
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#2441008 19-Mar-2020 08:52

debo:

And the government is paying businesses to keep on employees with nothing to do. Essentially to go back home and watch TV. The government should have spent the money on companies that have actual work that needs to be done. That kiwifruit is going to be left unpicked. What a waste.

Are busineses that have work to do exemp? Are Kiwifruit growers exempt too?

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#2441010 19-Mar-2020 08:52

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We've had a bit of that in Dubai earlier in the week but now it's subsided. Once people see the shelves refill the next day word gets around and it seems to settle down

We're only at 115 cases so far.

That's good to hear ... we got worser for today: 414 for Hamburg (that's +102 since yesterday).

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#2441013 19-Mar-2020 08:57

Rough language. Filmed 5 days ago, posted today.

Coronavirus News: From Toilet Roll Shortage to Donald Trump's Speech

Channel 4 | The Last Leg

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#2441015 19-Mar-2020 09:07

kingdragonfly:

...The most ambitious experiment in America to stop the spread of the coronavirus — shelter-in-place orders for almost every resident — was underway for seven million people living around the San Francisco Bay on Tuesday. Another two million people were being asked to stay home under similar directives in the Sacramento and Monterey areas on Wednesday.

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Yep - got texted yesterday morning by a friend who lives in Agnew.
He was taking his dog, driving up to the summer house in Coarsegold. Said not to call him at home.

Txted him back to ask what he's thinking - high risk older guy (in his late 50's) - now the nearest hospital's going to be in Fresno if he catches this.
Also - pointed out he might already have it - and carry the disease up there with him.

He said "they've closed iHop, what the hell's wrong with this world"

He's probably one of hundreds - if not thousands that will drive out of town.

That's one thing about the extreme Chinese response, inter-city travel bans and limitations on population movement..
Harsh but probably effective in the long run. Can't see anything like it working in the US.

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#2441016 19-Mar-2020 09:11

Everyone must be bolting for China?

Busiest for weeks this morning at the Christchurch Chinese Consulate Visa Office!

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#2441037 19-Mar-2020 09:31

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Everyone must be bolting for China?

Busiest for weeks this morning at the Christchurch Chinese Consulate Visa Office!

Chinese nationals going on vacation? Maybe they have local partners & children. with the flights coming in we will see something major in a few weeks. Maybe they sense that.

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#2441040 19-Mar-2020 09:48

Batman:
msukiwi:

Everyone must be bolting for China?

Busiest for weeks this morning at the Christchurch Chinese Consulate Visa Office!

Chinese nationals going on vacation? Maybe they have local partners & children. with the flights coming in we will see something major in a few weeks. Maybe they sense that.

Or cant get out soon so as the light at the end of the tunnell is well and truly in China now, going back to wait it out?

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#2441045 19-Mar-2020 10:05

From a few conversations, annecdotally, I see some I know who are keen as for proper precautions. weekly Family meal tonight is the last for a while and other distancing. Great. But also a number who are casual, not bothered, it'll be fine. Makes me feel that probably 1/4 of us will not bother much. Maybe more. If it was just 10% then we will join EU down the track. Or maybe a lot of us will joiu the EU, and a lot of us will hunker inside our fenceline if we can and avoid it. I just feel the buy in here is not that great. Even a 95% buy i n here would cause a blow out, just take longer

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#2441093 19-Mar-2020 10:19

Tinkerisk:

Let Trump be Trump. Maybe one day he will notice when there is no one around him and he only talks to his mirror.

He does that every day as he self tans and perms his hair 💇‍♂️ the worry thing is the reflection talks back ☣️

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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