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  #2831724 13-Dec-2021 19:25
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ezbee:

 


1,193 new 1st vaccinations yesterday, it appears the pace is very snail like for the rest.
I suppose it will only be the when 4 week paid holiday runs out that we might see a boost ?

 

With about 25% of the population the virus can work on unvaccinated.
Mainly, children, but,
Something like 300K in the eligible but won't camp who may be in groups that gather, actively ignore restrictions.

 

So we shall see how this progresses has Auckland reached an equilibrium of cases vs mobility ?

 

Like Victoria seems to be at a steady state, 1100-1200 cases a day, 11,649 active cases.
Hospitalized stuck in 200 to a bit over 300 range 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-13/victoria-records-new-covid-cases-and-deaths/100694774

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We could have plateaued in the context of a change of settings, although ideally you want a month, two full cycles, and then there is the unique time of the year festive days of Xmas and New Year which will throw things out a bit.

 

Interesting when you compare Vic and NSW. You get the overwhelming impression that the protests is what separates them. Numbers are creeping up in NSW. As is the case with every Delta wave in the world, you squash it then it slowly creeps back up.

 

All cards are off the table with Omicron of course, in terms of case numbers, Omicron walks through 2 shots and eats the unvaccinated for breakfast.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens in Aus, since they are launching their kids roll outs. We look on with anticipation for a hint of what may happen here.

 

 





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  #2831740 13-Dec-2021 19:34
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alexx:

 

MikeB4:

 

In some ways the divisions that are developing in Aotearoa mirror  the treatment of the Gay community when Aids first appeared. The anger mirrors that of the anti springbok tour, anti nuclear, climate change and is showing again in the Groundswell protests.

 

 

Words like "polarised" and "division" suggest a society divided into roughly equal parts. This was probably true for the springbok tours in the 1970s and 1981.

 

But the high rate of vaccination (which was already high before any vaccine mandates) suggests that this is not the case now. That doesn't mean that the concerns of the unvaccinated should be ignored. There are some people that have been feed a constant stream of misinformation from social media and from people they know. These people should not be treated like they are the enemy.

 

But there are also a number of very vocal people, many who are almost certainly vaccinated themselves, that find it politically advantageous to claim there is no freedom, or claim that the country has become divided. Some of them are not even based in NZ, but are pursuing some global political objective. The existence of those people does not mean we have a divided society and we don't need to give them a platform to help them in their efforts to divide the country.

 

 

Just because division affects a minority doesn't mean it isn't there. In the past these divisions have been there along race or class lines. Last year the "team of five million" were the good guys with anyone overseas seen as a threat, today division is around vaccination.

 

This stuff article gives a good point of view of the effects of moving from the certainty of elimination to the uncertainty of living with covid.


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  #2831741 13-Dec-2021 19:35
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ezbee: ...  Looks like the future will be either vaccination or infection, remaining uninfected may not be possible in very long term. ...

 

More or Less from BBC4 has a good explanation about why vaccination is the better option (starting at 06:28): ... preferring natural infection to vaccination is like saying you want to become immune to your thumbs being cut off a second time by cutting them off yourself ...

 

Edit: Correct link to More or Less website.





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  #2831748 13-Dec-2021 20:04
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The thing about showing tolerance, is that there is also a need for people to have a voice from the vaccinated side of the aisle.

 

The antivaxx movement is multi layered. Within the movement, are some bad actors with dangerous political agendas, literally far right fascists and extremists.

 

That sector, the hardcore political American styled Neo Nazi wing behind the New Zealand antivaxx movement, need to be met with the full force of resistance against everything they stand for.

 

Soft tolerance of the fascists leads in only one direction, the dangerous destabilizing of society and worst case control.

 

Understanding is cool and helpful when accorded to the average Joe.

 

It is a complex problem, thanks to social media, we are losing people, however, if it were not for this existential threat....we would lose them to some other threat through misinformation like climate change.

 

These people are pulling away anyway and they are being pulled down the rabbit hole by bad actors that this country needs to take a hard line with.

 

This is an information war and a threat to our stability.

 

Time and again in this outbreak we have seen loud mouth yanks pushing the antivaxx message. That guy that got in the face of Jacinda Adern was labelled as extremely dangerous by political security consultant Paul Buchanan.





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  #2831799 13-Dec-2021 23:16
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300477196/dunedin-nurse-referred-to-nursing-council-over-online-threats-to-attack-vaccination-buses

 

This is nothing short of pathetic, reading her "tough guy" threats. Why should a misinformed moron like this dictate to me what I should do about the health of my children? Even worse is she's a nurse (apparently) working for ACC.
She should be worrying about her own health, not threatening people who want to get vaccinated; she definitely isn't on "the right side of history" here. She should also be deregistered as a nurse as soon as possible, IMO (if that's even possible).


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  #2831803 14-Dec-2021 00:09
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quickymart:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300477196/dunedin-nurse-referred-to-nursing-council-over-online-threats-to-attack-vaccination-buses

 

This is nothing short of pathetic, reading her "tough guy" threats. Why should a misinformed moron like this dictate to me what I should do about the health of my children? Even worse is she's a nurse (apparently) working for ACC.
She should be worrying about her own health, not threatening people who want to get vaccinated; she definitely isn't on "the right side of history" here. She should also be deregistered as a nurse as soon as possible, IMO (if that's even possible).

 

 

The Nursing council of New Zealand are a completely different culture to the Medical council. The Nursing Council are not a group of people that you want to get on the wrong side of.

 

They will act swiftly and harshly to this.

 

Bringing the profession into disrepute is a thing in Nursing. Unprofessional conduct. Failure to uphold the standards of the code of conduct. She will be history soon.

 

And if she does not appear for the hearing she will be fined heavily and struck off.





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  #2831810 14-Dec-2021 02:04
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Antivaxxer rally from just over a century ago:

 

 

 

 

This was in Toronto in 1919. There were also antivaxxer riots in Montréal in 1885 in response to a vaccination mandate to deal with a smallpox outbreak that killed thousands, mostly children.

 

 

So it's nothing new...



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  #2831819 14-Dec-2021 06:39
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UK aiming to deliver 1 million booster shots a day by the end of the year, not official however

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-uk-records-first-omicron-death/3WDSTVERG62YSTGMBLHNCOLK6U/

 

 


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  #2831824 14-Dec-2021 07:13
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Not the best written headline from Newshub - I read that and thought that Boris Johnson had died 😮


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  #2831826 14-Dec-2021 07:17
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quickymart:

 

I read that and thought that Boris Johnson had died 😮

 

 

lol

 

PS the headlines don't mean anything to me. a 99 year old with 10 comorbidities - well ok.

 

24 year old premier league star in his prime with 0 comorbidities and double vaccinated - now I continue reading.

 

need more context.


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  #2831830 14-Dec-2021 07:48
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hang on a sec. AKL allowed to travel to all corners of the country now, but AKL stays in red till 30 dec.

 

someone explain? (other than bcos PM promised)


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  #2831834 14-Dec-2021 08:02
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Batman:

 

hang on a sec. AKL allowed to travel to all corners of the country now, but AKL stays in red till 30 dec.

 

someone explain? (other than bcos PM promised)

 

 

For some reason, no decision to loosen restrictions that the government takes can be implemented without a 1-2 week wait period.  It makes no sense to me, just seems like promising kids nice things in the future to make them behave better today.  AKL clearly fits the criteria for Amber now, so the 17-day delay is perplexing.  I guess it can be justified to some extent by the threat of Omicron


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  #2831835 14-Dec-2021 08:13
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I took it as a full incubation cycle to get a gauge of how prevalent it is circulating inside the walls by how many people that leave Auckland are going to make it pop up. Since it's largely been masked by 3 months of likely skewed testing.

By putting a pause on it festering on internal places it keeps it essentially still The family groups mingling like it has been for the last few months. A baseline, or controlled seepage

heck, there was even somebody on the united against Facebook page last night requesting they stop ringing her... Pretty sure the call centre is ringing it's to advise you and ignoring it isn't the idea

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  #2831837 14-Dec-2021 08:19
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I saw a Voices for Freedom pamphlet on the ground near my place. Even though it was pouring down with rain and everything was soaked, I felt like I was doing my civic duty by putting that propaganda bs in the rubbish bin so one else could see it.

 

It looks like the same one they did a drop on during level 4 lockdown, but I didn't see one in my mailbox, so I guess my neighbours don't clear their mail very often.


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  #2831839 14-Dec-2021 08:20
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Oblivian:
heck, there was even somebody on the united against Facebook page last night requesting they stop ringing her... Pretty sure the call centre is ringing it's to advise you and ignoring it isn't the idea

 

Who's her?


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