2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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Ultimate Geek

#2836930 22-Dec-2021 15:27

ezbee:

Australia, probably its not so much the % vaccinated, but the absolute number unvaccinated.
Large populations mean each % point is a larger number.

Then you have children.

Behavior is the other one.
When you have few restrictions, and those inclined not to exercise personal responsibility.
Its Christmas ! Legends in their own lunchtime go much further in deliberately feeding spread.
They congregate, for religion, parties, politics, deliberate ignorance, virus is happy with any chance.
Inclined to just act normally when sick as they are doing everyone a favor spreading it.
But then it does not exist.

Murdoch's millions.

Bang on the money, what we do not know is how our unvaccinated fools will go, or more importantly our hospitals that are lumped with them.

So many unknowns. I saw a headline Texas Children's hospital admissions for Covid doubled in seven days. Still too soon to say what that means, but this is what we are looking for with kids after a smudge of a suggestion of more kids in hospital in SA.

One thing to be positive about is that a handful of Omicron cases would infect an entire Brian Tamaki rally over the course of two protests thus adding them to the immunity pool very rappidly....making them safe till the next variant from infecting us.

I guess the take home advice is to stay away from idiots till this thing blows through them and we are boosted.

Just keep swimming...

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#2836933 22-Dec-2021 15:34

SJB:

BookMyVaccine still insisting on 6 months. Takes me out to Feb 3rd.

Any idea when that will change?

Info in today's press release:

Boosters update

A suite of precautionary measures were announced yesterday in light of emerging experience overseas with Omicron.

This included shortening the period between the second and booster doses of the Pfizer vaccine from six months to four months.

This change comes into effect for walk-in vaccinations from 5 January, and bookings can be made on BookMyVaccine.nz from 17 January.

We encourage anyone who is more than six months post their second vaccination to get their booster now. Other people should wait until 5 January – there will be plenty of booster doses available and no one will miss out.

At this stage, booster doses should only be offered to adults aged 18 years or over.

5-11 year-olds

Parents and caregivers will be able to book vaccinations for 5-11 year-olds from 17 January.

health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/south-canterbury-hit-90-fully-vaccinated-today-56-community-cases-51-people-hospital-7-icu

KrazyKid

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#2836935 22-Dec-2021 15:35

SJB:

BookMyVaccine still insisting on 6 months. Takes me out to Feb 3rd.

Any idea when that will change?

@SJB

From today's media release:

Boosters update

A suite of precautionary measures were announced yesterday in light of emerging experience overseas with Omicron.

This included shortening the period between the second and booster doses of the Pfizer vaccine from six months to four months.

This change comes into effect for walk-in vaccinations from 5 January, and bookings can be made on BookMyVaccine.nz from 17 January.

At this stage, booster doses should only be offered to adults aged 18 years or over.

DS248

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#2836936 22-Dec-2021 15:35

QLD local case numbers (186) three times higher than the number reported yesterday. And a 30-fold increase over the last week.

ACT also had a large jump in local cases from yesterday's figures (58 vs prior 6-day average of 16)

SA case numbers not released yet.

bazzer

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#2836956 22-Dec-2021 16:17

Scott3:

Now we are getting into high vaccination rates, the discrepancy between the Stats NZ population, and the NZ Health service use population is getting quite material. The government and media probiably should have been using the stats NZ population all along.

Your calculated first dose (91.5%), vs the MOH published value (94%) is a big difference. Hadn't released out numbers were out by so much.

You don't think they've considered this?

There's even a Stuff article that covers this exact thing. Ultimately, I don't think it really matters, it's just a relative measure and it doesn't change the actual number of vaccinations. The MoH will be fully aware of the difference and I don't think they'll stop vaccinating just because they hit 100% first dose. 😉

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#2836959 22-Dec-2021 16:21

Israel dishing out 4th dose for over 60s

DS248

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#2836963 22-Dec-2021 16:25

bazzer:

Scott3:

Now we are getting into high vaccination rates, the discrepancy between the Stats NZ population, and the NZ Health service use population is getting quite material. The government and media probiably should have been using the stats NZ population all along.

Your calculated first dose (91.5%), vs the MOH published value (94%) is a big difference. Hadn't released out numbers were out by so much.

You don't think they've considered this?

There's even a Stuff article that covers this exact thing. Ultimately, I don't think it really matters, it's just a relative measure and it doesn't change the actual number of vaccinations. The MoH will be fully aware of the difference and I don't think they'll stop vaccinating just because they hit 100% first dose. 😉

More that the pool of unvaccinated people is higher than the MOH 94% figure would suggest.

Also relevant to the current outbreak in NSW as the percentage of the 12+ population vaccinated there is higher than here. Not by a large margin but in public statements, there has been some emphasis placed on how highly vaccinated the NZ population is.

vexxxboy

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#2836988 22-Dec-2021 17:00

DS248:

QLD local case numbers (186) three times higher than the number reported yesterday. And a 30-fold increase over the last week.

ACT also had a large jump in local cases from yesterday's figures (58 vs prior 6-day average of 16)

SA case numbers not released yet.

The main thing to know are Hospital admissions going up in relation to cases , they dont seem to be in the UK, 200,000 cases 133 people in Hospital, and they certainly didnt in South Africa where they had 1.7% of people positive with Omicron were admitted to hospital. compared to around 27% with Delta .

Common sense is not as common as you think.

DS248

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#2837011 22-Dec-2021 17:46

vexxxboy:

DS248:

QLD local case numbers (186) three times higher than the number reported yesterday. And a 30-fold increase over the last week.

ACT also had a large jump in local cases from yesterday's figures (58 vs prior 6-day average of 16)

SA case numbers not released yet.

The main thing to know are Hospital admissions going up in relation to cases , they dont seem to be in the UK, 200,000 cases 133 people in Hospital, and they certainly didnt in South Africa where they had 1.7% of people positive with Omicron were admitted to hospital. compared to around 27% with Delta .

Far too soon to see impact on hospital admissions in those states

Where is the above (bolded) info from?

'133 in hospital' in the UK?

Check https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Latest daily number of COVID-19 patients admitted: 847 (17 Dec)
Patients currently in hospital: 7,801 (20 Dec)
Patients in ventilation beds: 859 (20 Dec)

And the 200,000 figure? (actual ~90,000 yesterday up on ~50,000 ten days ago)

The numbers hospitalised are lower than the Jan 21 peak. But they have been similarly lower for the past 5 months pre Omicron when the case numbers ranged from ~25k - 50k. Upsurge to significantly above 50K has only occurred over the last week or so. Still to early to see the impact of Omicron.

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#2837012 22-Dec-2021 17:49

DS248:

QLD local case numbers (186) three times higher than the number reported yesterday. And a 30-fold increase over the last week.

ACT also had a large jump in local cases from yesterday's figures (58 vs prior 6-day average of 16)

SA case numbers not released yet.

Jump in SA cases also (to 198). ~20 fold increase over the last 10 days

Sup

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Ultimate Geek

#2837049 22-Dec-2021 19:24

Batman: Israel dishing out 4th dose for over 60s

Interesting approach.

After seeing a six month gap being of benefit, in the omicron world, they have clearly decided to just keep topping up when the antibodies start dropping at eight weeks.

And thank you Israel. We need to see if there is an even greater surge in antibody production with shot four.

Perhaps we do need an omicron jab for higher sterilizing immunity as seen with a specialized vaccine for the Wuhan strain.

Just keep swimming...

vexxxboy

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#2837057 22-Dec-2021 20:19

DS248:

==

Where is the above (bolded) info from?

'133 in hospital' in the UK?

Check https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Latest daily number of COVID-19 patients admitted: 847 (17 Dec)
Patients currently in hospital: 7,801 (20 Dec)
Patients in ventilation beds: 859 (20 Dec)

And the 200,000 figure? (actual ~90,000 yesterday up on ~50,000 ten days ago)

The numbers hospitalised are lower than the Jan 21 peak. But they have been similarly lower for the past 5 months pre Omicron when the case numbers ranged from ~25k - 50k. Upsurge to significantly above 50K has only occurred over the last week or so. Still to early to see the impact of Omicron.

you are quoting covid numbers mine are just omicron numbers from the UK health security Agency

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-omicron-daily-overview

Common sense is not as common as you think.

ezbee

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#2837061 22-Dec-2021 20:32

Surges everywhere, though many may still be dealing with delta as well..

Certainly the risk here for Northland, Bay of Plenty etc with low vaccination rate areas is delta is in the wild here and could reach them anytime.

Covid cases rise across Asia as South Korea sees record numbers of seriously ill, Thailand restarts quarantine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/covid-cases-rise-across-asia-as-south-korea-sees-record-numbers-of-seriously-ill-thailand-restarts-quarantine

""
South Korea is struggling to contain a surge in Covid-19 cases, reporting 7,456 infections on Wednesday and a record number of people with serious symptoms, as countries across Asia face a similar battle.

The new infections bring South Korea’s total to 583,065, while the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency said the number of critically ill patients rose to a new high of 1,063.
""

Sup

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Ultimate Geek

#2837081 22-Dec-2021 21:02

ezbee:

Surges everywhere, though many may still be dealing with delta as well..

Certainly the risk here for Northland, Bay of Plenty etc with low vaccination rate areas is delta is in the wild here and could reach them anytime.

Covid cases rise across Asia as South Korea sees record numbers of seriously ill, Thailand restarts quarantine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/covid-cases-rise-across-asia-as-south-korea-sees-record-numbers-of-seriously-ill-thailand-restarts-quarantine

""
South Korea is struggling to contain a surge in Covid-19 cases, reporting 7,456 infections on Wednesday and a record number of people with serious symptoms, as countries across Asia face a similar battle.

The new infections bring South Korea’s total to 583,065, while the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency said the number of critically ill patients rose to a new high of 1,063.
""

South Korea has such good systems, I see last week they really tightened up on restrictions. When you see how Delta embers flare up and start a new wave, we really need to get through to the 3rd of January.

Our booster program may stop a second Delta surge. Kids vaccinated will do even more for the whole situation.

Our management of Delta has been the best in the world.

There is hope then, against the Omicron monster, that Kiwis will at the end of the day, do whatever it takes to protect themselves and one another.

One thing about Omicron is it will rip through the morons and take them out of the daily case numbers very early once they recover.

That is some relief...well I find it a relief to know.

Interestingly in the states, the people who are unvaccinated, who have caught Delta....are the highest risk of omicron infection...not the virgin immunity antivaxxers...the Delta infected antivaxxers.

That likely is a function of not having learned anything, thinking you are immune now, no alteration in pre Delta risk taking, and it could also be a function of weakened immune systems over all in terms or the persons general state of health following a Delta episode.

This is clearly the path to the vaccine for the Antivaxxers, the next three variants after omicron will reinfect them, and they will slowly twig that they are going to be in many cases extremely poorly twice a year from Covid.

Just keep swimming...

DS248

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#2837094 22-Dec-2021 22:01

vexxxboy:

DS248:

==

Where is the above (bolded) info from?

'133 in hospital' in the UK?

Check https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Latest daily number of COVID-19 patients admitted: 847 (17 Dec)
Patients currently in hospital: 7,801 (20 Dec)
Patients in ventilation beds: 859 (20 Dec)

And the 200,000 figure? (actual ~90,000 yesterday up on ~50,000 ten days ago)

The numbers hospitalised are lower than the Jan 21 peak. But they have been similarly lower for the past 5 months pre Omicron when the case numbers ranged from ~25k - 50k. Upsurge to significantly above 50K has only occurred over the last week or so. Still to early to see the impact of Omicron.

you are quoting covid numbers mine are just omicron numbers from the UK health security Agency

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-omicron-daily-overview

The data in that link is meaningless for assessing hospitalisation risk relative to Delta as it contains no age or vaccination status info.

For example, see https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/modelling-suggests-rapid-spread-omicron-england/

"The distribution of Omicron by age, region and ethnicity currently differs markedly from Delta, with 18–29-year-olds, residents in the London region, and those of African ethnicity having significantly higher rates of infection with Omicron relative to Delta."

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