2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2840831 31-Dec-2021 15:51

quickymart:

Sigh. The stupidity of some people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/127404291/perching-parrot-cafe-has-outdoor-dining-licence-suspended-after-opting-out-of-my-vaccine-pass

She said she did not want her, her staff, or her customers to get Covid-19 and did not want the virus spreading in the community.

“I know that this virus is dangerous.”

Then get the vaccine, you dumbass, and stop trying to game the system to prevent the virus from spreading!!
There's one cafe I'll never, ever visit.

Wont miss it. We went in there last summer and the place was unclean and full of flies. The eventual opening on Transmission Gully (sometime this century) would have probably killed it.

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#2840890 31-Dec-2021 16:16

Scott3:

NSW numbers are out. Not pretty. That said, I expected hospital load to be higher at this point.

I was hoping the hospital rates reflected a slow down today, a hint that many of the most vulnerable have already been captured and locked in.

But no, NSW health have issued a correction. There were 86 admissions in the last 24 hours bringing the true figure to 832 people in hospitals.

The NSW Nursing and Midwifery group have issued a warning that several NSW hospitals are now under extreme pressure due to the loss of staff.

State Premier Dominic Perrottet has appealed to the public to not call ambulances unless absolutely necessary due to the strain on the system just now.

On a positive note, the positivity rate has climbed to 14.25% of all tests taken, therefore it could be double that, therefore this wave is not going to last at peak rates very long...two to three weeks?

Just keep swimming...

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#2840899 31-Dec-2021 16:34

MikeB4:

Wont miss it. We went in there last summer and the place was unclean and full of flies. The eventual opening on Transmission Gully (sometime this century) would have probably killed it.

Good job. I think I went there once, about 20 years ago. Can't remember much about it.

She also complains in that same article about her customer numbers being down. I wonder why.

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#2840902 31-Dec-2021 16:39

quickymart:

Good job. I think I went there once, about 20 years ago. Can't remember much about it.

She also complains in that same article about her customer numbers being down. I wonder why.

But enough cash to make a sign then get warned, so makes an alternative sign (Im assumming it wasnt hand made)

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#2840911 31-Dec-2021 17:37

quickymart:

Sigh. The stupidity of some people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/127404291/perching-parrot-cafe-has-outdoor-dining-licence-suspended-after-opting-out-of-my-vaccine-pass

She said she did not want her, her staff, or her customers to get Covid-19 and did not want the virus spreading in the community.

“I know that this virus is dangerous.”

Then get the vaccine, you dumbass, and stop trying to game the system to prevent the virus from spreading!!
There's one cafe I'll never, ever visit.

I came here to post that same article, except my caption would have been:

In todays edition of "Im not an antivaxxer, but...."

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#2840913 31-Dec-2021 17:40

MikeB4: Time for a rethink on the approach to dealing with Covid if we continue on our current path we will be heading for a humanitarian crisis. We cannot live with Covid, that flawed thinking will condemn a great many people. US hospitals are struggling and they are in a different league of readiness. People thinking we can live with are in la la land.

So what is your alternative to living with Covid? It can’t be eliminated.

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#2840920 31-Dec-2021 18:01

I hope we get lucky and avoid a Omicron outbreak this time because it sounds like the authorities got all the close contacts isolated in time.

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#2840933 31-Dec-2021 18:16

Cruciblewrecker: I hope we get lucky and avoid a Omicron outbreak this time because it sounds like the authorities got all the close contacts isolated in time.

Omicron is faster and doesn‘t care about authorities. We went from 8% to 50% of all new infections just within a single week. So next Monday I expect it will have overruled the Delta variant (here in GER). Happy new year!

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#2840948 31-Dec-2021 18:48

Air New Zealand will not serve snacks during domestic flights

it means masks can be kept on throughout a flight

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#2840949 31-Dec-2021 18:53

Unless you request water or take your own on

Basically, heard multiple during our first Delta breakout say 'carry a waterbottle and if you get busted say you were drinking'.

Morons who just don't get it.

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#2840964 31-Dec-2021 19:39

Tinkerisk:

Cruciblewrecker: I hope we get lucky and avoid a Omicron outbreak this time because it sounds like the authorities got all the close contacts isolated in time.

Omicron is faster and doesn‘t care about authorities. We went from 8% to 50% of all new infections just within a single week. So next Monday I expect it will have overruled the Delta variant (here in GER). Happy new year!

Hi Tinkerisk I watch DW TV a lot via youtube and so I have been following your pandemic for two years now. I follow the pandemic all around the world, but DW gives me a good snap shot of Europe.

What are your thoughts on why vaccine centers in Germany are struggling to find staff? is it because of burn out or frustration at the massive numbers of antivaxxers in Germany?

Just keep swimming...

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#2840978 31-Dec-2021 20:10

Handle9:
MikeB4: Time for a rethink on the approach to dealing with Covid if we continue on our current path we will be heading for a humanitarian crisis. We cannot live with Covid, that flawed thinking will condemn a great many people. US hospitals are struggling and they are in a different league of readiness. People thinking we can live with are in la la land.

So what is your alternative to living with Covid? It can’t be eliminated.

Can I take a go at this?

Very clearly there needs to be global coordination, now before we roll our eyes I am going to make a list of how to defeat the pandemic despite the likelihood of failure and the total disconnection from the world we actually live in.

Call this a Matrix way of beating Covid, so this could actually be within our grasp but perhaps we are a selfish and greedy organism that is a lot dumber than we like to see ourselves.

Ok....so you first need to use the WHO for what it was created for, you would need to start following WHO directives.

This would mean countries in the developed world spending the kinds of money they throw away on defence budgets annually on attacking the virus.

So this means slowing the rate of mutation, so that we end up fighting a known enemy. We are talking a mass roll out of vaccines, US UK CHINA RUSSIA and the EU targeting the developing world for vaccine coverage. Offer cash and or food incentives to get people in the likes of Africa vaccinated.

Introduce waivers for patents. Boost India's capability as the worlds pharmacy to produce Therapeutics and Vaccines in the billions.

Mandate Covid Vaccines the world over. Do so with fines and or detention and compulsory jabbing.

The most controversial idea in my plan...but one that the whole world would agree with if omicron killed like MERS so hello...skip straight to the lets get ahead of this stage and stop waiting for an excuse to do what we all know needs to be done.

The first world will need to spend even more money, in a coordinated way, to close borders, to use an aggressive elimination response....and to therefore crush the virus across massive land masses with multiple shared borders.

So in essence it is not true that we cannot defeat Covid, it is true that we do not have the priorities or the intelligence to do what is already available to us.

You cold literally take the NZ Covid response and apply it to a WHO context and use mandates to end the pandemic.

Thereafter, back in the real world...we wait for the one hundred million killer to change human thinking and go straight to the obvious solution.

Just keep swimming...

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#2840979 31-Dec-2021 20:12

Sup:

What are your thoughts on why vaccine centers in Germany are struggling to find staff? is it because of burn out or frustration at the massive numbers of antivaxxers in Germany?

It‘s not the big problem to find staff in the vaccine centers. The problem is burn out and frustration of the medical staff in the hospitals for their permanent load since nearly two years now in their daily job - they simply start to seek new job opportunities. The biggest problem are the egomanic antivaxxers too stupid to recognize their contribution to unnecessary workloads. In case of infection with Covid vaccinated people are not as heavy affected as the unvaxxed ones. Almost the only people in the ICUs are antivaxxers blocking most other hospital’s activities (due to bed/room management and don‘t forget visitor management). This is even more critical when medical staff itself is unnecessarily affected by quarantine. We „play“ transportation Tetris to equalize the load between hospitals in the whole country, sometimes with helicopters. For me antivaxxers should be triaged by stupidity - I’m asking for Darwin, really.

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#2840980 31-Dec-2021 20:20

My observations from my travels this summer:

Taupo, Napier and Wellington - minimal to nil mask usage (outside of supermarkets/Te papa etc) . Covid pass checking was a bit 50:50 between sighting/validating passes vs not asking for them at all.
Auckland, Hastings and a few smaller towns I stopped at - majority of folks on the streets wearing masks, scanning vaccine passes.

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#2840999 31-Dec-2021 20:31

cokemaster:

My observations from my travels this summer:

Taupo, Napier and Wellington - minimal to nil mask usage (outside of supermarkets/Te papa etc) . Covid pass checking was a bit 50:50 between sighting/validating passes vs not asking for them at all.
Auckland, Hastings and a few smaller towns I stopped at - majority of folks on the streets wearing masks, scanning vaccine passes.

tbh in wellington outside you don't need a mask, that wind wisks all the covid away XD

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