2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2441726 19-Mar-2020 21:57

Ademir:

so this is another fake news ...🤬

i wouldn't call it fake news. click bait yes.

there are 3 kinds of people who get sick and given a specific medication

- get sick and get better without doing anything special (would have gotten better without any medication)

- get sick and die/not get better whatever you do

- get sick and get better because of the medication who would otherwise have not gotten better

- actually there is a 4th type - get sick and get better with medication initially but then still die

so this medication either was given to people who were going to get better anyway

or it may work on some people - but maybe you need to treat 1,000 to prevent one death - not very good. if you only need to treat 2 to make one better - very good. works on everybody - doesn't exist as our genetical condition and physical condition are all slightly different.

maybe it works better if given when infected but before symptoms, maybe give when symptoms but before critical.

maybe it works better in combination with something.

maybe need a higher dose.

etc.

a lot of questions.

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#2441738 19-Mar-2020 22:20

freitasm:
And read this description of the Imperial College report on COVID19.

Bloody hell, that is terrifying.

We have CT, I just cant see how its statistically possible not to.

If you have read between the lines the last few days I think Bloomfield and our PM know the genie is out of the bottle.

I'm in Silverstream and there was a lot of helicopter activity last night, and apparently Trentham Camp is much busier than usual.

I think that's it for us now, I dont really want to leave the house except for food. But that means taking our kids out of school and daycare. It feels like a drastic step but everything I'm seeing tells me they are coming out soon anyway. May well get a headstart.

Am I overreacting?

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#2441739 19-Mar-2020 22:22

freitasm:

A question though - I read "Prime Minister Scott Morrison banning non-essential indoor gatherings of more than 100 people."

What would be the implication for a workplace with 200 people spread over three floors?

Three shifts of eight hours each?

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#2441740 19-Mar-2020 22:23

MileHighKiwi: The WHO says we have local transmission, and the data is a week old. Local transmission is CT.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

Local transmission means it’s was passed from one person to another while in New Zealand, but all our locally transmitted cases (so far) have been close contacts of the infected person ie not more widespread community transmission where a link cannot be made.

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#2441742 19-Mar-2020 22:27

How stupid can it be somebody to come up with the theory that coronavirus is caused by the 5g network - Human stupidity is truly limitless.

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#2441743 19-Mar-2020 22:30

Are the rules for home detention and self-isolation almost identical? About the only difference is the ankle bracelet - but that could change!

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#2441744 19-Mar-2020 22:31

MileHighKiwi:
freitasm:
And read this description of the Imperial College report on COVID19.

Bloody hell, that is terrifying.

We have CT, I just cant see how its statistically possible not to.

If you have read between the lines the last few days I think Bloomfield and our PM know the genie is out of the bottle.

I'm in Silverstream and there was a lot of helicopter activity last night, and apparently Trentham Camp is much busier than usual.

I think that's it for us now, I dont really want to leave the house except for food. But that means taking our kids out of school and daycare. It feels like a drastic step but everything I'm seeing tells me they are coming out soon anyway. May well get a headstart.

Am I overreacting?

Agree, they are coming out soon anyway. If you can do it now, I would. What is the downside of bring proactive early?

To the extent that your personal circumstances allow, practice sensicle social distancing now.

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#2441748 19-Mar-2020 22:36

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Geektastic: I think anyone coming in now needs to be quarantined, not asked nicely to stay out of the way.

Nothing can be further from the truth.

They've done it in Fiji, locked down Lautoka City after Fiji's FIRST case was confirmed today. Schools are closed, people are not allowed to enter or leave the greater Lautoka City area.

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#2441749 19-Mar-2020 22:39

tdgeek:

cddt:

I just had an optimistic thought...

If we are able to get on top of this, as China has, and get down to zero domestically acquired cases for a 2-4 week period, then we could open our borders to China again (mutually). If we're the first to do so - an agreement between two "clean" countries - then it would be a massive boost to our economy.

Ive thought of that recently. My wife is Chinese, so disclosure. I heard today while out that China had NO new cases? (or deaths) Its arguably at the bottom of the 190 odd country list now. Yes, that would actually be sensible to allow them to come here, with 100% isolation. Somehow manage that so its "forced" but not forced lol.

Yes, what a massive gain for us, and arguably very low risk.

I reckon they feel safer in China. My colleague's wife is in China (Wuhan) and she does not want to come back to NZ just yet.

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#2441750 19-Mar-2020 22:42

code15:
MileHighKiwi: The WHO says we have local transmission, and the data is a week old. Local transmission is CT.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

Local transmission mean it’s was passed from one person to another while in New Zealand, but all our locally transmitted cases (so far) have been close contacts of the infected person ie not more widespread community transmission where a link cannot be made.

We have restricted our testing so don't know all of our locally transmitted cases.

Look at the US,
Look at Australia,
Look at the UK,
Look at all of the Europe continent.

All these countries had small numbers of locally transmitted cases very recently, until suddenly they didnt. We do not live in a parallel universe where we can carry on life unchanged and expect to escape largely unscathed.

Wake up NZ.

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#2441752 19-Mar-2020 22:43

MileHighKiwi:
freitasm:

And read this description of the Imperial College report on COVID19.

Bloody hell, that is terrifying.

We have CT, I just cant see how its statistically possible not to.

If you have read between the lines the last few days I think Bloomfield and our PM know the genie is out of the bottle.

I'm in Silverstream and there was a lot of helicopter activity last night, and apparently Trentham Camp is much busier than usual.

I think that's it for us now, I dont really want to leave the house except for food. But that means taking our kids out of school and daycare. It feels like a drastic step but everything I'm seeing tells me they are coming out soon anyway. May well get a headstart.

Am I overreacting?

yes , gross over reaction.

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#2441754 19-Mar-2020 22:56

I think everyone needs to calm down a little... spend less time over analysing everything and live your lives! Lets just see what happens, so far nobody is right... maybe in a few weeks someone will be right and I'm sure there will be a 'told you so' but until then lets just all chill.

It feels like an online bogg roll fight for no reason!

🤐

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#2441758 19-Mar-2020 23:31

freitasm:

They learned not to use "midnight".

Closed borders from 11.59 pm tonight.

About bloody time. I have had no end of trouble working with clients in different parts of the world saying "we'd like this back by 12:00 pm", where figuring it out from context is impossible.

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#2441761 19-Mar-2020 23:40

Right out of the crisis management teams here:

- We are about to double our ICU capacity nationwide, we stopped all plannable medical treatment, went to emergency mode and prepare for COVID-19. This includes even to use and equip fairground halls to be converted to hospitals ...

- I'd say NZ should not wait for anything. Again, you are in the same boat as other nations just sitting 11 days more backwards. It's up to you to use it or just accept it as it seems to be for the Brits.

- We are preparing for Red and Blue teams which will not have contact to each other and with fast cleaning cycles in between to keep production as long as possible. The non active team is at home work, the active one in the plant. Same is true for shift worker.

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#2441762 19-Mar-2020 23:48

freitasm:

A question though - I read "Prime Minister Scott Morrison banning non-essential indoor gatherings of more than 100 people."

What would be the implication for a workplace with 200 people spread over three floors?

Scotty from Marketing says that business is not non-essential. Apparently SARS-CoV2 does not infect people if they work for the same company, it's like a magical barrier.

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