2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2441789 20-Mar-2020 01:32

Hibino:

From what I read the virus transfers from one place to other place, at beginning when there is no symptoms tests can be done in mouth or throat or nose or eyes where is infected, after symptoms shows the virus moves down to the body and will be negative if tests is done in mouth/throat/nose/eyes. That's why China is doing more than 1 tests on people after things out of control. But these is not from official news or heard from a doctor myself, just rumors on the internet.

Thanks. That makes sense. Maybe that is why NZs first case initially tested negative on the 1st two tests, and it wasn't until the final test which I understand is taken further into the body , did they test positive, as they were apparently at that stage already showing symptoms .

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#2441791 20-Mar-2020 03:52

- Here (in Germany) we don't have anymore the test capacity available since near everybody likes to be tested. That's grazy stupid! Really necessary is only to test medical personnel to prevent spreading, (elderly) persons with high risk factor and people, who recovered from at the end before release (after 2 negative tests). Any other is wasting ressources. From a certain point, you have to consider any person with symptoms as infected - full stop. If it's mild, stay in self-quarantine, is it medium - doctors decision or "to be monitored", is it severe - you will be transferred to the hospital/ICU. That's why ...

- ... descison will be now not to test persons with low risk (young people without underlaying health conditions).

- Police control becomes more and aggressive since mobile moving pattern doesn't show up acceptance of the measures called out since yesterday. It was up to the intelligence of the people but it will be come closer to an inevitable lock down with concequences. Too bad for all others acting responsible.

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#2441792 20-Mar-2020 04:56

Hibino:

The high school in Dunedin test result 150 negative really surprised me and from what I learned from Chinese media(news and private forums) there is no way no one is infected by the virus by staying close to a carrier without any protection for a few days.

they were tested after 2 days of exposure. no doubt some of them would show it later. very happy to be wrong.

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#2441811 20-Mar-2020 06:43

Tinkerisk:

- Police control becomes more and aggressive since mobile moving pattern doesn't show up acceptance of the measures called out since yesterday. It was up to the intelligence of the people but it will be come closer to an inevitable lock down with concequences. Too bad for all others acting responsible.

My understanding is they have the same problem in Northern Italy - mobile heat maps show a huge amount of people still moving around.

Today about eight utes drove down the bus on-ramp at the on-ramp lights while everyone else was queued up and waiting. You can easily see us having the same problems here.

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#2441812 20-Mar-2020 07:10

Is the consensus now that NZ has failed, as in the "wake up NZ" post, for one? And we need to lockdown to stop the high level of CT that we now have?

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#2441816 20-Mar-2020 07:32

It is not for me to judge this and I do not want it at all. But it is becoming increasingly apparent that people in all countries believe that only "the others" are affected - if at all. I think that's the reason why many die in Italy for "la dolche vita".

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#2441818 20-Mar-2020 07:35

tdgeek:

Is the consensus now that NZ has failed, as in the "wake up NZ" post, for one? And we need to lockdown to stop the high level of CT that we now have?

no the problem now is people are going crazy in western countries.

1. they are not used to trusting the government officials.

2. and even if they trust them they don't like to be told what to do.

3. they are used to just doing what they feel like. freedom of expression. that's what we're seeing.

the govt needs to calm the minds of the people with more communication to treat problem 3. then maybe problem 1 & 2 can be brainwashed into them. currently people are getting their information on social media which is not helpful, with announcements once or twice a day.

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#2441822 20-Mar-2020 07:43

Batman:

tdgeek:

Is the consensus now that NZ has failed, as in the "wake up NZ" post, for one? And we need to lockdown to stop the high level of CT that we now have?

no the problem now is people are going crazy in western countries.

1. they are not used to trusting the government officials.

2. and even if they trust them they don't like to be told what to do.

3. they are used to just doing what they feel like. freedom of expression. that's what we're seeing.

the govt needs to calm the minds of the people with more communication to treat problem 3. then maybe problem 1 & 2 can be brainwashed into them. currently people are getting their information on social media which is not helpful, with announcements once or twice a day.

Its ether contain it as best we can or its lockdown. We havent closed the borders either, we are wanting 80,000 to come home, then when they are new cases we complain about lack of Govt action.We want to close schools, but we are happy to go shopping? i must look for the article Dr Bloomfield referred to, where containment is the best option, which is what we are doing

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#2441823 20-Mar-2020 07:44

Batman:

they were tested after 2 days of exposure.

If this was 2 days immediately after exposure, these tests should be considered as false negative. 5 days after exposure earliest. It depends of a virus density which is high enough to be detected. Hopefully these tests have been repeated.

If it was 2 days after the first symptoms, the test results might be ok.

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#2441824 20-Mar-2020 07:47

tdgeek:

Is the consensus now that NZ has failed, as in the "wake up NZ" post, for one? And we need to lockdown to stop the high level of CT that we now have?

Now the boarders locked, I’ll decide after two weeks. Then there’s how they deal with returning NZers. If they do their trust everyone, plus can go on domestic flight to final destination then don’t have much faith.

I heard of one case of government tracking down and telling person to isolate that arrived before Sunday, looks like they may have decided they didn’t go hard enough earlier, but seem to be going hard now, just hope didn’t leave it to late.

Prefer more evidence of high CT before lock down, reading the earlier link if high CT, lock down to it goes down a certain level, then unlock, and lock down when going back up again and repeat until vaccine found maybe 18-24 months, combined with social distancing.

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#2441826 20-Mar-2020 07:57

Tinkerisk:

Batman:

they were tested after 2 days of exposure.

If this was 2 days immediately after exposure, these tests should be considered as false negative. 5 days after exposure earliest. It depends of a virus density which is high enough to be detected. Hopefully these tests have been repeated.

If it was 2 days after the first symptoms, the test results might be ok.

i tried to get a timeline -

"His father, a Dunedin man in his 40s, recently returned from Germany (Air New Zealand flight NZ283, 7 March, via Auckland Air New Zealand flight NZ675) and tested positive for Covid-19. Patient 11 only developed symptoms five days after returning, so there was no risk to others on the plane. Two of the man's relatives, one being patient 12, were also in self-isolation as they were showing possible symptoms."

symptoms on 12 March for kid's father.

assuming infectious 1 day before symptoms, kid got exposed on 11 March.

the news does not say when the kid showed symptoms but assuming he became infectious on 14 march, there was no school until 16 march. he was definitely sick on 17 march so assuming he was infectious on 16th.

the 150 school contacts were tested negative on 18th.

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#2441828 20-Mar-2020 07:59

rugrat:

tdgeek:

Is the consensus now that NZ has failed, as in the "wake up NZ" post, for one? And we need to lockdown to stop the high level of CT that we now have?

Now the boarders locked, I’ll decide after two weeks. Then there’s how they deal with returning NZers. If they do their trust everyone, plus can go on domestic flight to final destination then don’t have much faith.

I heard of one case of government tracking down and telling person to isolate that arrived before Sunday, looks like they may have decided they didn’t go hard enough earlier, but seem to be going hard now, just hope didn’t leave it to late.

Prefer more evidence of high CT before lock down, reading the earlier link if high CT, lock down to it goes down a certain level, then unlock, and lock down when going back up again and repeat until vaccine found maybe 18-24 months, combined with social distancing.

Its not locked its open to 80000. Lockdown to a certain level doesnt work look at Italy. Social dustancing dosnt work either as not everyone does it, and mentioned here often that we cant trust everyone to do the right thing. So you do new things and stil have the same problem of leaks.

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#2441829 20-Mar-2020 08:02

GV27:

Tinkerisk:

- Police control becomes more and aggressive since mobile moving pattern doesn't show up acceptance of the measures called out since yesterday. It was up to the intelligence of the people but it will be come closer to an inevitable lock down with concequences. Too bad for all others acting responsible.

My understanding is they have the same problem in Northern Italy - mobile heat maps show a huge amount of people still moving around.

Today about eight utes drove down the bus on-ramp at the on-ramp lights while everyone else was queued up and waiting. You can easily see us having the same problems here.

people are going crazy in western countries.

1. they are not used to trusting the government officials.

2. and even if they trust them they don't like to be told what to do.

3. they are used to just doing what they feel like. freedom of expression. that's what we're seeing***.

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#2441885 20-Mar-2020 08:28

Scott3:

Given we have failed at to keep Covid-19 out of NZ, it is very frustrating that we haven't yet taken the domestic threat seriously. We won't know the damage for two weeks, but we still stand a realistic chance of stomping out covid-19 if we act now. In two weeks it may be too late.

We were never going to stop people arriving with the virus, but all the known cases are isolated from the general NZ population. So we have NOT failed to keep Covid-19 out of NZ.

Yes, there *may* be cases in the community. But there is NO EVIDENCE of that. Any statement about community infection (or its absence) is just speculation. Trying to "stomp out" an infection that we can't find is a waste of resources. The first step should be to try to identify if/where there is an infection. Perhaps more widespread testing, assuming we have the resources to do that. But testing people who probably don't have the virus shouldn't displace testing of people who probably do have the virus.

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#2441886 20-Mar-2020 08:30

debo:

Batman:

this is not news. From the start According to the Chinese they have used these to cure some of their patients. The Australians are picking up where the Chinese left off and seeing if it works. Presumably other countries are too. But then if they are, then why numbers keep climbing? Many questions.

The treatment is being used in South Korea. Watch these MedCram videos for an in-depth explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeh054-Hx1U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm7UrZeu-74&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M

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