2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2868489 15-Feb-2022 09:35

tdgeek:

bazzer:

I think they just meant (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) that of course the antivax mate got one of the side effects. And even in that unlikely case, even worse this mother got it too! What are the chances of that? Sometimes things stretch credulity (although not, I dare say, in your friend's case).

Yep, get one jab and anything after that is blamed on the jab.

What are myocarditis and pericarditis? Can it occur after Pfizer (Comirnaty) vaccination? An increased risk of heart inflammation (myocarditis, pericarditis, or both) has been observed in people who have received mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in overseas studies, particularly in males under 30 years of age after the second vaccine dose.
So, he is early 40's, his Mum is probably not male and probably over 30... And my mate has had one jab as he wont get any more due to what it did to him

Basically latch onto anything.

As mentioned by another poster above, They remain at a higher risk of developing myocarditis from catching COVID
https://theconversation.com/myocarditis-covid-19-is-a-much-bigger-risk-to-the-heart-than-vaccination-174580

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#2868491 15-Feb-2022 09:35

Eva888: Just speaking with a friend whose grandson 12 in Auckland developed myocarditis after the vaccine and is being treated. I remember him being plump. First time I’ve come across a vaccine problem among my peers and their families and it’s rather sobering.

As has been said, a known rare side effect that is overwhelmingly self limiting and mild (and definitely so in comparison with the potential of suffering the same and worse due to viral infection) is not a huge cause for concern.

Within the perspective of the prevention of a variety of adverse outcomes in a vaccinated population, it might not be so scary:

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Myocarditis vs Hospitalisations prevented:

And events in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations:

The Science Vs. episode countering claims made in Rogan's Malone interview illustrate some of the fear mongering through misrepresentation that may be feeding the sobering effect hearing of your friend's grandson's ailment has had on you.

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#2868514 15-Feb-2022 10:12

One of the most densely populated places on earth getting start of a serious covid wave.
On top of deep mistrust in Government, which does not help in public health and vaccination efforts.

Hong Kong leader Lam says fifth Covid-19 wave has overwhelmed city’s capacity
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/omicron-wave-prompts-hong-kong-to-keep-hospitalisation-only-for-vulnerable-groups

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Hospital beds for Covid-19 patients in the global financial hub are already at 90 per cent occupancy, data from the city’s Hospital Authority showed, while isolation facilities are also near full capacity.
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at least 10,000 infected people still waiting to be admitted to Hong Kong hospitals as cases overwhelm public health care system
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3166970/coronavirus-hong-kong-breaks-covid-19-record?module=lead_hero_story&pgtype=homepage

Taiwan

Still holding things down to low levels for the moment and progressing to 10 day isolation by mid march.
While progress on 3rd shots is perhaps not as fast as desired due to supply issues,
knowing that this will be needed when outbreaks get more established.
Though they have capability to verify home isolation requirements are meet vs
ours which is more 'free range', 'honesty box' in application.

Chen says COVID outbreak in Taiwan has 'stabilized,' cases down 24%
CEEC head says 1 week after end of Lunar New Year holiday, outbreak 'controllable'
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4442565

Sure its just buying time, but keeps industry and life humming in meantime.

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#2868573 15-Feb-2022 12:37

Press release:

Traveller requirements released today mark another milestone towards the reopening of our international border, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says.

“Two weeks ago, we announced our reconnecting plan to make it easier to enter New Zealand and today we’re releasing the requirements for travellers ahead of the first step at the end of this month,” Chris Hipkins said.

“These precautions for entry have been updated in light of the latest information about Omicron and continue our approach of putting safety first, as we shift into new phases of our Omicron Response plan.

“From 28 February, travellers to New Zealand – starting with Kiwis and other current eligible travellers from Australia – will be able to enter without staying in MIQ as long as they are fully vaccinated, return a negative test before flying and spend seven days in self-isolation, taking two rapid antigen tests.

“These actions will lower the risk of COVID-19 entering the community while allowing more families to reunite, and will assist with the economic recovery and immediately address worker shortages.

“The self-isolation requirements will be kept under review, with a view to reducing them over time.

Before departure

“Before they fly, travellers will have the option of three types of pre departure tests: a PCR test within 48 hours of flying, or a supervised RAT or LAMP (Loop-mediated isothermal amplification) test within 24 hours.

“Allowing use of RATs recognises that PCR tests are difficult to get in many countries, with the lower sensitivity mitigated by halving the time people could get infected after being tested. Adding a LAMP test provides more options in a constrained global market for tests.

“Minimum vaccination requirements have been updated and will apply to travellers aged 17 years or older.

“From the end of March, a New Zealand Traveller Declaration will require travellers to complete an online declaration prior to travel and upload evidence of vaccination and a negative pre departure test. Before then, they will be manually checked by airline staff at check-in and by Customs staff on arrival.

“They will need to confirm where they are staying in New Zealand, and cannot stay in a place with shared group facilities such as a backpackers or a hostel.

On arrival in New Zealand

“On arrival at the airport, vaccinated travellers will need to download the NZ COVID Tracer app and will be given three RATs. They will then:

travel directly to their accommodation – avoiding visiting people and entering shops and businesses
wear a mask until they reach their accommodation, and ensure anyone picking them up wears a mask
sanitise their hands regularly and
maintain physical distancing as much as possible.
Self-isolation

“The settings for self-isolation reflect public health advice that arrivals have a similar COVID-19 risk profile to close contacts of cases in the community. As a result, they will follow similar protocols as community close contacts in phase 2 of the Omicron plan.

“These include an isolation period of seven full days and reporting the results of two rapid antigen tests – one on day 0/1 and one on day 5/6. A positive result will need to be followed with a PCR test to monitor for any new COVID-19 variants.

“They can form a bubble with family or friends, who can continue to go to work or school, but must minimise contact with others as much as possible. No visitors are allowed.

“Travellers will be able to temporarily leave self-isolation in special circumstances, such as visiting terminally ill relatives, to access urgent healthcare or to attend court hearings, but will be encouraged to take a RAT if visiting a high risk location such as a hospital or aged care facility and need to follow public health measures.

“Eligible groups approved by Sports NZ or the Ministry of Culture and Heritage may train or rehearse outside of their place of self-isolation. Any approval may have specific requirements and guidance.”

The full details for the traveller journey and self-isolation process for individuals and groups are here.

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#2868579 15-Feb-2022 12:44

rhy7s:

And events in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations:

The vaxx increases your chance of getting herpes?

rhy7s

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#2868587 15-Feb-2022 13:02

duckDecoy:

The vaxx increases your chance of getting herpes?

Reactivating latent virus

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#2868596 15-Feb-2022 13:17

rhy7s:

duckDecoy:

The vaxx increases your chance of getting herpes?

Reactivating latent virus

Or perhaps it's that vaccinated people go out more and so have more exposure to other infectious diseases?

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#2868765 15-Feb-2022 15:48

news:

Around 20,000 swabs were done yesterday across 17 sites in Auckland, which means around 14,000 of these were carried out on people without symptoms.

Northern Region Health Co-ordination Centre (NRHCC) chief clinical officer Andrew Old said they were at a point where they were able to manage the demand at the current level, but they would start to struggle if demand increased beyond this point.

Are they for real? 1.5m people city during the pandemic and that's the capacity to test? :( Looks like we will never find out the true level of infection in NZ :(

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#2868945 15-Feb-2022 16:36

Well as of today if you line up and are not symptomatic or been to a LoI. They're going to be turned away anyway.

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#2869121 15-Feb-2022 20:43

Not sure if this link has been posted yet since I can't read all of this thread any more, but the Information is Beautiful site has some great infographics related to Covid19. And many other things.

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#2869226 15-Feb-2022 22:14

That's really interesting, thanks for the post.

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#2869253 15-Feb-2022 22:32

So the previous Djokovic sign he might get it was BS.

BBC paid lots of money for an interview. Where it's come out he doesn't want to be associated with antivax movement
But is totally against having it and realises it means he will miss out on tournaments.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60354068

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#2869322 16-Feb-2022 07:16

Holy cow, I'm not sure I heard the full story on this on RNZ on the way into work this morning, but it sounds like our contact tracing system going to now revolve around a self-declared LOI form that takes half an hour to complete - during which you'll have to declare your own high-risk LOIs.

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#2869325 16-Feb-2022 07:24

kobiak:

news:

Around 20,000 swabs were done yesterday across 17 sites in Auckland, which means around 14,000 of these were carried out on people without symptoms.

Northern Region Health Co-ordination Centre (NRHCC) chief clinical officer Andrew Old said they were at a point where they were able to manage the demand at the current level, but they would start to struggle if demand increased beyond this point.

Are they for real? 1.5m people city during the pandemic and that's the capacity to test? :( Looks like we will never find out the true level of infection in NZ :(

i actually don't see the point of testing in the community now.

apart from plotting pretty graphs

the only reason to test is if you are in or planning to be in hospital and they need to know whether you have covid - eg (among other reasons) if you have pneumonia and the treatment depends on what virus/bacteria/sterile you have.

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#2869382 16-Feb-2022 09:05

Batman:

i actually don't see the point of testing in the community now.

apart from plotting pretty graphs

the only reason to test is if you are in or planning to be in hospital and they need to know whether you have covid - eg (among other reasons) if you have pneumonia and the treatment depends on what virus/bacteria/sterile you have.

Agree on that. Prof Baker reckons the cases are 8X what tests show. How many people forego a test if they went to a LOI at the risk period? How many will avoid going to a test centre which will have some Covid infected people there? How many will hunker down, tell friends and family, they may have Covid so are voluntarily self isolating, I'll let you know when Ive completed that so if I had it, its ok now? If we pass the peak, have we? The end game is the outbreak is being allowed to occur, in such a way that hospitals wont get overwhelmed, so if we pass the peak (according to the some that got tested) wont it continue to spread silently anyway? If we can look at overseas numbers of tests, cases, the cases that didnt get a test till vary late as then became symptomatic or went to hospital, you may be able to extrapolate the "real" case numbers.

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