2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2441887 20-Mar-2020 08:31

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rugrat:

Now the boarders locked, I’ll decide after two weeks. Then there’s how they deal with returning NZers. If they do their trust everyone, plus can go on domestic flight to final destination then don’t have much faith.

Its not locked its open to 80000. Lockdown to a certain level doesnt work look at Italy. Social dustancing dosnt work either as not everyone does it, and mentioned here often that we cant trust everyone to do the right thing. So you do new things and stil have the same problem of leaks.

I guess the 80,000 being referred to is the potential returning NZer’s. Yep if they don’t do that right and trust them it’s a fail.

If passenger flights dry up, and they have settled their lives else where hopefully most will stay put.

Ones that do return , they can’t be trusted to do right thing, and if to many return the logistics gets messy. Don’t think legally can turn them away though.

Wished could.

For the ones that do social distancing the infection rate will go down, and hopefully number cases that need intensive care at same time.

Not everyone will social distance, but for the ones that do less chance of them being infected.

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#2441888 20-Mar-2020 08:32

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Given we have failed at to keep Covid-19 out of NZ, it is very frustrating that we haven't yet taken the domestic threat seriously. We won't know the damage for two weeks, but we still stand a realistic chance of stomping out covid-19 if we act now. In two weeks it may be too late.

It is crazy that schools, nightclubs etc are still open.

What are your solutions to take the domestic threat seriously? If we act now, please list your measures

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#2441890 20-Mar-2020 08:33

The EU Wants Netflix To Lower Streaming Video Quality To Prevent The Internet From Breaking

Gizmodo By Sam Rutherford

With people self-quarantining in order to help stop the spread of covid-19, many are turning to streaming video services to pass the time while they are cooped up inside. But now, due to a massive spike in users and bandwidth, the EU is asking companies like Netflix and home users alike to lower streaming video quality to help prevent the internet from breaking.

While the idea of the entire internet grinding to a halt might seem ridiculous, the sheer number of users relying on the internet for both work and entertainment right now is already pushing the net’s infrastructure to its limits. Just in the last week, many online gaming services like Xbox

Live and Playstation Network and telework services like Zoom and Microsoft Teams have been knocked offline at times due to demand.

But when it comes to Netflix—which was responsible for 12.9 per cent of global downstream traffic in the first half of 2019—EU commissioner Thierry Breton is asking both companies and consumers to switch to standard definition video when possible. Breton even reached out to Netflix CEO Reed Hastings directly to talk about the issue, but so far, the EU has yet to issue an official mandate regarding a change in streaming policy due to covid-19.

...That said, Breton’s fears about Netflix, in particular, overloading the internet may be somewhat overblown, as Netflix already automatically adjusts streaming video quality based on available bandwidth and current network conditions, while Netflix’s Open Connect program provides free content delivery networks to local ISPs, which helps reduce global network congestion.

...However, when it comes to the internet at large, Breton’s point is still important, and for users feeling limited by their home internet connections, it can be helpful to ease congestion by turning off or lowering the quality of superfluous data streams and videos.

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#2441891 20-Mar-2020 08:35

rugrat:

I guess the 80,000 being referred to is the potential returning NZer’s. Yep if they don’t do that right and trust them it’s a fail.

If passenger flights dry up, and they have settled their lives else where hopefully most will stay put.

Ones that do return , they can’t be trusted to do right thing, and if to many return the logistics gets messy. Don’t think legally can turn them away though.

Wished could.

For the ones that do social distancing the infection rate will go down, and hopefully number cases that need intensive care at same time.

Not everyone will social distance, but for the ones that do less chance of them being infected.

Ok the 80000 cant be trusted, that ene prpoven over and pover so we loick them up

If you feel that not everyone will social distance then its already failed.

Next ideas please!

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#2441892 20-Mar-2020 08:35

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Trump is rolling out the chloroquine to everyone ...

How about providing links to something substantiating that - or more info.

AFAIK, in the USA, they'd probably use hydroxychloroquine - not chloroquine.

Either are slightly immunosuppressive. While it might be a good idea to roll out (hydroxy)chloroquine to treat severe cases, rolling it out to everybody who has mild symptoms might prove to be a serious mistake for several reasons.

Trump is a lying liar who lies. Trump or the White House aren't a reliable source.

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#2441893 20-Mar-2020 08:37

tdgeek:

rugrat:

Now the boarders locked, I’ll decide after two weeks. Then there’s how they deal with returning NZers. If they do their trust everyone, plus can go on domestic flight to final destination then don’t have much faith.

Its not locked its open to 80000. Lockdown to a certain level doesnt work look at Italy. Social dustancing dosnt work either as not everyone does it, and mentioned here often that we cant trust everyone to do the right thing. So you do new things and stil have the same problem of leaks.

it is not a bad thing to have the virus do the round, slowly.

you see, barring a miracle (near perfect vaccine), this virus will be doing the rounds in the world for about a few years.

let's say we lock our borders and have no infection. then the chances of an outbreak disaster here remains high for 2 years. in fact the chances of an outbreak is even possible at 5 years. how long can you close the borders for?

but if we have the virus slowly doing its rounds, and half the people have some immunity and the chances of an outbreak disaster is a bit lower.

it's not all black and white. it's more a watch and respond. this is our new life. 2019 is gone. we're in this for the long haul (years).

my opinion of course.

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#2441894 20-Mar-2020 08:44

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Batman:

Trump is rolling out the chloroquine to everyone ...

How about providing links to something substantiating that - or more info.

In spite of what Trump said, it's not yet approved for that use.

Edit: but interesting mention there by FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn of the use of 'convalescent plasma'.

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#2441895 20-Mar-2020 08:49

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What are your solutions to take the domestic threat seriously? If we act now, please list your measures

If the Government wants to cut the numbers of potential infected by 20% they should simply shoot every fifth New Zealander.

The longer we go on accepting people from overseas - returning Kiwis included - the high our chances of an imported case sparking community transmission become. I am not saying we should not do this, but we should not pretend like the virus cares what colour your passport is.

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#2441896 20-Mar-2020 08:49

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We havent closed the borders either, we are wanting 80,000 to come home, then when they are new cases we complain about lack of Govt action.We want to close schools, but we are happy to go shopping? i must look for the article Dr Bloomfield referred to, where containment is the best option, which is what we are doing

We don't want 80,000 to come home. We are advising them that it is probably in their best interests to do so. Our Govt has a responsibility for all NZers, even if they're currently overseas. So, for example, for NZers in Italy, it is probably better for them to be in NZ, since (unlike Italy) they're unlikely to get infected here, and if they do, we currently have spare ICU beds. The same probably applies to most of Europe and North America. Also, people who aren't citizens of the country they're in may find themselves at the end of a long queue for health resources.

Some (most?) of those people won't "come home", because their actual home is in whatever country they're in right now. They may have dual citizenship or permanent residency or insurance or some other way to access health care. They may have jobs and families and roots in the country where they now live.

People who do come home will do so because they are seriously concerned about their risk from covid-19, and it will likely cost them a great deal to do so. If they do come home, I think it's extremely likely that they will comply will self-isolation and other precautions, because they won't want to introduce into NZ the conditions that made them come here.

I think anyone complaining about lack of Govt action is over-reacting. The Govt has been pro-active and taking serious measures when appropriate.

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#2441897 20-Mar-2020 08:53

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it is not a bad thing to have the virus do the round, slowly.

you see, barring a miracle (near perfect vaccine), this virus will be doing the rounds in the world for about a few years.

let's say we lock our borders and have no infection. then the chances of an outbreak disaster here remains high for 2 years. in fact the chances of an outbreak is even possible at 5 years. how long can you close the borders for?

but if we have the virus slowly doing its rounds, and half the people have some immunity and the chances of an outbreak disaster is a bit lower.

it's not all black and white. it's more a watch and respond. this is our new life. 2019 is gone. we're in this for the long haul (years).

my opinion of course.

Boris was already ridiculed for herd immunity

Either we do what we are doing, which is being widely criticised here as too little too late, not proactive, not enough, or we do soemthing else. Im struggling to get anyone to suggest what we do instead. Ideology doesnt cut it, we need alternative suggestions that can be put in place and under what rules. A clue is Italy's lockdown, didnt work.

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#2441898 20-Mar-2020 08:56

Sidestep:

Fred99:

How about providing links to something substantiating that - or more info.

In spite of what Trump said, it's not yet approved for that use.

Edit: but interesting mention there by FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn of the use of 'convalescent plasma'.

here's the dilemma. how do you use evidence based medicine before there's evidence or do you just roll it out? obviously the evidence based people will say there's no evidence - takes years to conduct a really good trial of 10,000 people. i have a feeling if it's ever going to have any effects it needs to be given before onset of respiratory failure. but it may not work. but what have they got to lose.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-treatment-press-conference-today-vaccine-drugs-us-cases-a9411836.html

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#2441899 20-Mar-2020 08:56

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tdgeek:

We havent closed the borders either, we are wanting 80,000 to come home, then when they are new cases we complain about lack of Govt action.We want to close schools, but we are happy to go shopping? i must look for the article Dr Bloomfield referred to, where containment is the best option, which is what we are doing

We don't want 80,000 to come home. We are advising them that it is probably in their best interests to do so. Our Govt has a responsibility for all NZers, even if they're currently overseas. So, for example, for NZers in Italy, it is probably better for them to be in NZ, since (unlike Italy) they're unlikely to get infected here, and if they do, we currently have spare ICU beds. The same probably applies to most of Europe and North America. Also, people who aren't citizens of the country they're in may find themselves at the end of a long queue for health resources.

Some (most?) of those people won't "come home", because their actual home is in whatever country they're in right now. They may have dual citizenship or permanent residency or insurance or some other way to access health care. They may have jobs and families and roots in the country where they now live.

People who do come home will do so because they are seriously concerned about their risk from covid-19, and it will likely cost them a great deal to do so. If they do come home, I think it's extremely likely that they will comply will self-isolation and other precautions, because they won't want to introduce into NZ the conditions that made them come here.

I think anyone complaining about lack of Govt action is over-reacting. The Govt has been pro-active and taking serious measures when appropriate.

I agree. The vast majority of that 80000 are resdients overseas. Its unlikely many of them would be able to find a way home anyway

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#2441900 20-Mar-2020 08:56

Sidestep:In spite of what Trump said, it's not yet approved for that use

Now that the virus now impacts rich (and old) white guys, I wonder if Republicans and Trump would now consider stem cell research, since it has been used in virus infection research.

Funny how religious doctrine and the "anti-vaxer" movements gets thrown away once there's a medical crisis.

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#2441901 20-Mar-2020 08:56

Sidestep:

In spite of what Trump said, it's not yet approved for that use

Since when did science or common sense hinder the President of the US? (I mean since Jan 2017 of course).

Presumably the AB given prophylactically with the anti-viral to counter secondary infection.

You could probably guarantee that this might look great in a small clinical trial, but in an improvised hospital with thousands of patients and poor isolation between patients, it's probably inevitable that you'd just be creating and encouraging resistant bacteria that cause serious respiratory disease, and then have to try to contain that.

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