2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2869552 16-Feb-2022 11:56

At this point in a highly vaccinated population, contact tracing will be about as useful as contact tracing and listing LOI for the common cold in winter.

People that feel vulnerable are already hunkered down to ride this out as best they can.

Those of us that have to work are taking our own safety measures (with MOH rules as a minimum) dependent on our perceived level of risk.

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#2869560 16-Feb-2022 12:07

Jas777:

So true. The state broadcasters 6pm News and Stuff have a lot to do with this.

Stuff is so bad with their click bait headlines and then the article is not as explosive as the headline.

and this is now starting to have the anti-vaxxers saying "we told you so" (well, our one at work is).

I said it months ago, media need to stop reporting case numbers, they are now by and largely irrelevant and there for the purposes of instilling fear / panic into the public, pushing their agenda for relevance (and to a lesser extent as the states marketing arm for the booster shot). They also appeal to our darker side of "how many cases today", like watching a car crash in slow motion. You know its going to be bad, but you can't look away because you want to see just how bad it will be.

If they are "letting omicron rip" in the community, what then is the point of mandates on mask wearing and vaccine passes? The Govt have accepted that numbers will rise, that you will catch it very easily and that there will be hospitalisations and deaths to follow, when does collective responsibility end and personal responsibility begin?

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#2869568 16-Feb-2022 12:22

So, those needing to isolate will get a text message at the beginning of their isolation period, and one at the end.

You can use these to show your employer as proof of needing to stay home and isolate.

Doesn't this just open up a huge can of worms for spam texts or those that buck the system and create their own text messages?
How do you know if they are from a legitimate source?

Maybe its just me, but I don't think they have put much thought into this.

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#2869569 16-Feb-2022 12:23

Buster:

People that feel vulnerable are already hunkered down to ride this out as best they can.

I feel that being a parent of a sub-one year old gives me strong opinions about this, but I'm immensely pissed to see Auckland just given up on as Covid central after the huge social and mental toll of repeated lockdowns.

For some of us, hunkering down simply isn't an option, regardless of how we feel.

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#2869570 16-Feb-2022 12:23

Mind you at the start when there was every reason to be scared nobody was scared we barely in the nick of time lockdown against WHO advice.

Now where we shouldn't be scared but be empowered with knowledge and education, everybody is scared and WHO is issuing warning about keep wearing masks and don't open up. There is a lot of confusion and one group have decided to believe someone else no longer in charge or the world.

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#2869583 16-Feb-2022 12:42

networkn:

Holy Hell, people need to stop being tested unless they are symptomatic or required as part of the isolation protocols. Pretty much every testing facility is at red capacity now.

Yep, news just said about 70% have no symptoms and/or no need to get a test

Edit; If test numbers include many highly likely negatives, say that 70%, then the high cases we are getting now, are potentially just based on 30% of tests being genuine.

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#2869588 16-Feb-2022 12:45

Not sure how they planned for this but there is the potential that you could have to do 2 or 3 or more self isolation stints. Once you have to do it the 3rd or more time around can see people just not doing it.

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#2869590 16-Feb-2022 12:46

Batman:

well in the past we needed to detect every case as we were trying to eliminate

but we are not trying to eliminate now

In fact we are allowing Covid to spread. We cannot stop it, so use measures to stymie it as best we can for hospital bed reasons.

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#2869593 16-Feb-2022 12:49

Jas777:

This is happening in NZ because this is the first time that people have really been affected by it in that the likelihood of catching it is so much higher the fear has exponentially gone up.

I get that. But I'd rather have Omicron on every street corner after having had 3 jabs, than less but still high cases of Delta

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#2869600 16-Feb-2022 12:54

Batman: Mind you at the start when there was every reason to be scared nobody was scared we barely in the nick of time lockdown against WHO advice.

Now where we shouldn't be scared but be empowered with knowledge and education, everybody is scared and WHO is issuing warning about keep wearing masks and don't open up. There is a lot of confusion and one group have decided to believe someone else no longer in charge or the world.

If I go by chatter with work colleagues, other people, radio chatter, neighbours, its rarely ever mentioned. No doubt there are many people who it may consume their life, but I feel the majority aren't in that category.

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#2869607 16-Feb-2022 13:03

GV27:I feel that being a parent of a sub-one year old gives me strong opinions about this, but I'm immensely pissed to see Auckland just given up on as Covid central after the huge social and mental toll of repeated lockdowns.

For some of us, hunkering down simply isn't an option, regardless of how we feel.

The same element that caused the lockdowns to finally fail in Auckland (Sept 2021?) will also cause contact tracing and LOI to fail (be fairly ineffective) now.

It's tough. It is what it is.

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#2869619 16-Feb-2022 13:26

Finally hit over 1000 - 1160 new cases today.

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#2869621 16-Feb-2022 13:29

I think we're going to see the regions produce steady increases with Auckland leading the way, however this should change some of the mindset that the virus is an Auckland problem. I'm waiting for my kids second dose and then most of my turtling will be done and I'll re-engage with society in a careful manner. One of my staff caught Covid from his parents and has been isolating.. apart from a sore throat and cough he is fine... says that while the symptoms are heavy cold like he said that it just feels different, a presence which he can't explain and it makes him more wary of it.

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#2869627 16-Feb-2022 13:36

quickymart:

Finally hit over 1000 - 1160 new cases today.

As I mentioned earlier, 70% of tests have no symptoms or contact reasons to get a test. You could broadly say that the 1160 was based on 30% of the test numbers as 70% are wasted, and if that 70% was made up of genuine tests, a much bigger number, perhaps triple.

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#2869637 16-Feb-2022 14:01

The numbers game.
Generally the view of epidemiologists is about 7-10x cases , vs the tested depending on positivity and who is being tested.
New Zealand may not exactly follow this pattern from overseas as population density and mobility lower, but Auckland ?
Border workers, Medical, Aged care workers on regular testing cycles you catch most of these, general public very much less.

Thus the models that caused howls of discontent showing numbers 7 to 10x the clinical.

If you live in a multigenerational home with grandparents to protect ( Actually your parents are probably not too flash either ).
Someone on oxygen , diabetic or dialysis you should be motivated to get tested.
Welfare groups are already tearing their hair out now there are no MIQ places to try and separate vulnerable.

South Auckland etc... Many developments have nowhere to even pitch a tent, maybe just occupy a park.
Now there is an occupy movement deserving of facilities free food that others have.

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