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  #2441904 20-Mar-2020 08:59
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kingdragonfly: The EU Wants Netflix To Lower Streaming Video Quality To Prevent The Internet From Breaking

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That's daft. Networks should be able to handle it... Proactive vs reactive networks are showing their cracks.




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  #2441907 20-Mar-2020 09:03
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tdgeek:

 

I agree. The vast majority of that 80000 are resdients overseas. Its unlikely many of them would be able to find a way home anyway

 

 

The number of NZers overseas at any given time is far higher than 80,000. From memory there is something like 18% - 20% of our citizens/residents overseas at any given time. There's hundreds of thousands in Australia alone living on SCVs.

 

The 80,000 figure is so small it could only represent short term departures. If you say that's less than six months, there would easily be 80,000 across Europe, NZ and Aus combined. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2441908 20-Mar-2020 09:09
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When is a person considered recovered?  Is it a re-test or xx days/weeks without symptoms.

 

Worldwide stats say quite a few but none yet in NZ (of course the we didn't get our first confirmed case until 29 Feb).





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  #2441909 20-Mar-2020 09:09
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tdgeek:

 

Batman:

 

 

 

it is not a bad thing to have the virus do the round, slowly.

 

you see, barring a miracle (near perfect vaccine), this virus will be doing the rounds in the world for about a few years.

 

let's say we lock our borders and have no infection. then the chances of an outbreak disaster here remains high for 2 years. in fact the chances of an outbreak is even possible at 5 years. how long can you close the borders for?

 

but if we have the virus slowly doing its rounds, and half the people have some immunity and the chances of an outbreak disaster is a bit lower.

 

it's not all black and white. it's more a watch and respond. this is our new life. 2019 is gone. we're in this for the long haul (years).

 

my opinion of course.

 

 

Boris was already ridiculed for herd immunity

 

Either we do what we are doing, which is being widely criticised here as too little too late, not proactive, not enough, or we do soemthing else. Im struggling to get anyone to suggest what we do instead. Ideology doesnt cut it, we need alternative suggestions that can be put in place and under what rules. A clue is Italy's lockdown, didnt work.

 

 

I mean closing the boarders mid feb would have solved a lot of problems. Nevertheless that horse has bolted.

 

It gets difficult. What do you shut & what do you keep open.

 

To me closing all bars & night clubs is a no brainer. I would also ban seating at restaurants. Make restaurants takeout only

 

Then wait till community spread is detected & aggressively isolate. 

 

Some-one gets Covid 19 on a construction site. Shut the site & send every one on site to 2 weeks isolation.

 

A high school student gets Covid 19. Shut the school & isolate the students for 2 weeks.

 

I also think that a special Covid 19 "isolation leave" would be appropriate. Anyone that has to do isolation should be paid by the govt to sit at home.

 

I guess what I am advocating is a partial shut down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2441910 20-Mar-2020 09:10
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freitasm:
Gurezaemon:

 

About bloody time. I have had no end of trouble working with clients in different parts of the world saying "we'd like this back by 12:00 pm", where figuring it out from context is impossible.

 



Well, 12 pm is midday and it is not ambiguous.

Midnight on the other hand can be either the start or end of a day.

 

I'd argue both are ambiguous. P.M. means post meridian, (after the meridian (noon)), and midnight is 12 hours after that. After all, 12:00 pm is one minute after 11:59 pm... :p


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  #2441913 20-Mar-2020 09:14
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tdgeek:

 

Scott3:

 

 

 

Given we have failed at to keep Covid-19 out of NZ, it is very frustrating that we haven't yet taken the domestic threat seriously. We won't know the damage for two weeks, but we still stand a realistic chance of stomping out covid-19 if we act now. In two weeks it may be too late.

It is crazy that schools, nightclubs etc are still open.

 

 

What are your solutions to take the domestic threat seriously? If we act now, please list your measures

 

 

The big issue is that the information we get regarding cases is about 2 weeks old. So we need to act 2 - 3 weeks earlier than the data we have suggests. The issue is that with a doubling time of 3-4 days being shown overseas, we can go from having a handfull of cases, to having the hospital system over-run within 3 weeks (as shown in Italy).

Domestic measures center around social distancing. We are already doing aggressive contract tracing.

Take your pick of social distancing policies from europe and north america:

 

- Close schools, daycares, universities, training establishments. (exemption for the children of those in critical industries that can't arrange alternate childcare)

 

- Close nightclubs, bars & resturants (take aways / delivery only)

 

- Ask those who can to commence working from home.

 

- Drop Gatering limit to 10 people

 

- Limit gatherings of co-workers to say 30. If you need more than 30, break your workplace into zones, or do a red shift & a blue shift that work different hours & never meet. - Exemptions available for the like of food supply industry.

 

- Strongly advise people not to use public transport.

 

- Change self isolation to enforced self-quarantine where the likes of domestic flights are not allowed.

 

.....


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  #2441918 20-Mar-2020 09:31
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MileHighKiwi: The WHO says we have local transmission, and the data is a week old. Local transmission is CT.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

 

Case #3 and Case #5 in NZ were local transmission, where the original family member had travelled from Iran, but these were close contacts rather than true CT cases. So yes we had close contact local transmission in NZ, most likely in late February.

 

Community Transmission implies transmission via members of the community that aren't close contacts, but might travel on the same bus, eat at the same cafe or shop for rice and toilet paper at the same supermarket.

 

We might have those and if you're placing a bet, then bet on CT, because you're probably going to be right sooner or later.

 

But that doesn't mean we divert resources from close contact tracking and testing, (which has been successful in places like Singapore) to random testing of the wider community. 





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  #2441920 20-Mar-2020 09:35
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This has got a lot easier

 

 

 





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  #2441923 20-Mar-2020 09:41
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  #2441924 20-Mar-2020 09:41
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freitasm: Removed unconfirmed rumours with business name
Don't spread this people, if it is not released or and with no evidence.

 

Quoted text is still showing on the post above.  It's like stamping out a virus - need to be thorough. :-)

 

And thanks BTW.


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  #2441926 20-Mar-2020 09:58
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Gurezaemon:

 

I'd argue both are ambiguous. P.M. means post meridian, (after the meridian (noon)), and midnight is 12 hours after that. After all, 12:00 pm is one minute after 11:59 pm... :p

 

 

I have never understood why countries like NZ and USA can't wrap their heads around 24-hour time like Europeans and the military do. 1200 = noon. 2400 (or 0000) = midnight. No ambiguity at all. It's not rocket science.

 

 





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  #2441930 20-Mar-2020 10:08
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A couple of my elderly friends aren't that well, self-diagnosed as having fluey colds. They haven't been in contact with people with known virus symptoms, but have been on public transport and to supermarkets etc. So, they are doing the right thing and staying home until they feel better.

I guess there could be hundreds of people like this, some who might have picked up a mild version of COVID-19. But they are being advised not to ask for virus testing as comminity transmission of the virus is not proven here yet. Now, if they recover successfully they are not being added into the statistics, so the reported cases, as time goes on, are likely to be a lot less than the actual cases.

No worries, but if these people with fluey symptoms don't stay home and keep using public transport and going to work, then this is how the virus can spread quite quickly. So, you don't want to overreact, but we are never going to have the resources to test everyone who seem to just have mild seasonal colds and flues. Despite this, I think people should just relax when someone starts coughing on the bus, rather than getting off at the next stop!

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  #2441931 20-Mar-2020 10:08
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/

 

Bill Gates also confirms social isolation is working.

 

There are people saying the virus gets weaker and weaker by passing through people, I hope it is true and the one in NZ is a minor version.


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  #2441933 20-Mar-2020 10:09
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dogstar001:

 

 

 

I mean closing the boarders mid feb would have solved a lot of problems. Nevertheless that horse has bolted.

 

It gets difficult. What do you shut & what do you keep open.

 

To me closing all bars & night clubs is a no brainer. I would also ban seating at restaurants. Make restaurants takeout only

 

Then wait till community spread is detected & aggressively isolate. 

 

Some-one gets Covid 19 on a construction site. Shut the site & send every one on site to 2 weeks isolation.

 

A high school student gets Covid 19. Shut the school & isolate the students for 2 weeks.

 

I also think that a special Covid 19 "isolation leave" would be appropriate. Anyone that has to do isolation should be paid by the govt to sit at home.

 

I guess what I am advocating is a partial shut down.

 

 

With all due respect, you are not advocating a partial shutdown, you are advocating a fully reactive response. Once the horse has bolted (your words) then react.


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  #2441937 20-Mar-2020 10:15
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The big issue is that the information we get regarding cases is about 2 weeks old. So we need to act 2 - 3 weeks earlier than the data we have suggests. The issue is that with a doubling time of 3-4 days being shown overseas, we can go from having a handfull of cases, to having the hospital system over-run within 3 weeks (as shown in Italy).

Domestic measures center around social distancing. We are already doing aggressive contract tracing.

Take your pick of social distancing policies from europe and north america:

 

- Close schools, daycares, universities, training establishments. (exemption for the children of those in critical industries that can't arrange alternate childcare)

 

- Close nightclubs, bars & resturants (take aways / delivery only)

 

- Ask those who can to commence working from home.

 

- Drop Gatering limit to 10 people

 

- Limit gatherings of co-workers to say 30. If you need more than 30, break your workplace into zones, or do a red shift & a blue shift that work different hours & never meet. - Exemptions available for the like of food supply industry.

 

- Strongly advise people not to use public transport.

 

- Change self isolation to enforced self-quarantine where the likes of domestic flights are not allowed.

 

.....

 

 

You are requiring a lot of trust, and while you are closing some places you are leaving a lot open. Gatherings only 10, but you want gathering of workers at 30, and which is far more time involved as well?  Yes your ideas will help, but its like a boat with 20 leaks and you fix 4 of them. Its not a lot tighter than what we have now, which is widely criticised here


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