2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2878002 3-Mar-2022 06:47

Geektastic: I'd say mask wearing in shops and scanning in etc is barely 50% locally now.

I even saw some people in a supermarket yesterday who had masks hanging off one ear but not being worn.

Has anyone in NZ ever been confirmed as having contracted COVID by being in a supermarket as customer?

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#2878003 3-Mar-2022 06:50

Possibly not - but that is likely to be because most people have been wearing masks in supermarkets. If everybody stops wearing masks I would guess that there will be cases transmitted at supermarkets.

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#2878015 3-Mar-2022 07:40

morrisk:

Possibly not - but that is likely to be because most people have been wearing masks in supermarkets. If everybody stops wearing masks I would guess that there will be cases transmitted at supermarkets.

I would think that is correct, but hoped that there would be hard data from all the contact tracing that used to happen.

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#2878021 3-Mar-2022 08:01

Dr B had stood fast that there had been no linked cases to supermarkets. Hence little change to their operations other than self policy adjustment.

Most people have a trolley buffer or only do the fast walk by. Sure they pinned walking by in the street for some cases early on. But straws were being clutched to appease the masses wanting answers then it would seem.

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#2878129 3-Mar-2022 10:11

once your contact tracers are overwhelmed they will no longer reliably link every case to every location.

once you stop naming locations of interest and stop contact tracing, you can't officially link any cases to supermarkets from that day forth.

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#2878139 3-Mar-2022 10:29

All of Auckland is a LOI.

I think Dr B's remarks were about Delta, initially? It may not be the case with a significantly more infectious variant like Omicron.

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#2878147 3-Mar-2022 10:44

Batman:
once your contact tracers are overwhelmed they will no longer reliably link every case to every location.

once you stop naming locations of interest and stop contact tracing, you can't officially link any cases to supermarkets from that day forth.

Again, don't say they've stopped contact tracing..for those without a cellphone/internet the team is still working
For everyone else, it's 'do your own tracing' (via the app upload and BT alerts)

Just cause everyone is in the same 'stuff that ' or 'why bother' mindset, doesn't mean it's stopped.

Infact high value places of interest are still to be named. Hospital etc. Just not low risk.

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#2878240 3-Mar-2022 11:31

I think I'll just keep wearing my mask every time I go outside now. Better safe than sorry.

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#2878275 3-Mar-2022 12:14

morrisk:

Possibly not - but that is likely to be because most people have been wearing masks in supermarkets. If everybody stops wearing masks I would guess that there will be cases transmitted at supermarkets.

Probably true during the Delta outbreak, but even with widespread mask use I'd be surprised if there were NOT any cases picked up at a supermarket recently given the infectiousness of Omicron and the sheer number of cases (which will be much higher than the reported number).

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#2878319 3-Mar-2022 13:49

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@mattwnz:

Are people buying them because they don't want to wait in line at a drive through testing station where you should be able to get them free? Or they want them before they get ill, so they don't have to go to a testing centre to get one and for it to be recorded with the MOH as a case?

You have to record RAT results at https://mycovidrecord.health.nz/ anyway.

Dr Bloomfield has said that they are only interested in +ve RAT tests being registered..... and that there is no point in doing it for negative tests...

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#2878350 3-Mar-2022 15:08

Oblivian:
Batman:

once your contact tracers are overwhelmed they will no longer reliably link every case to every location.

once you stop naming locations of interest and stop contact tracing, you can't officially link any cases to supermarkets from that day forth.

Again, don't say they've stopped contact tracing..for those without a cellphone/internet the team is still working
For everyone else, it's 'do your own tracing' (via the app upload and BT alerts)

Just cause everyone is in the same 'stuff that ' or 'why bother' mindset, doesn't mean it's stopped.

Infact high value places of interest are still to be named. Hospital etc. Just not low risk.

The MOH probably sent the wrong message IMO when they said they would stop publishing LOIs. IMO they should still be publishing them and doing full contact tracing for areas with low cases, and they shouldn't have let 500 staff just go like that. We will need to do scanning again when cases drop back and their contact tracing isn't then overwhelmed, so it is going to be difficult to get people scanning again, when it has become second nature. IMO they had a long time to really ramp up the contact tracing and scanning system to make it more automated, and so it doesn't rely on so many people manually doing it.

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#2878360 3-Mar-2022 15:20

mattwnz:

The MOH probably sent the wrong message IMO when they said they would stop publishing LOIs. IMO they should still be publishing them and doing full contact tracing for areas with low cases, and they shouldn't have let 500 staff just go like that. We will need to do scanning again when cases drop back and their contact tracing isn't then overwhelmed, so it is going to be difficult to get people scanning again, when it has become second nature. IMO they had a long time to really ramp up the contact tracing and scanning system to make it more automated, and so it doesn't rely on so many people manually doing it.

If Omicron is everywhere and cases are everywhere, whats the point? A work colleague in Hamilton, his Auckland mate's work got tested, 130 of them, 65 have it

Ive read an expert says there may be 8X as many cases as reported, as many wont test just stay home, or its a cold, or they are asymptomatic. If that's the case, to a greater or lesser degree, the dailies show us on the Bell Curve, but the reality may be we are much further up the Bell Curve. In my colleagues example, 65 positives X the places they have been... And the 6 they each infected, and so on. Just treat it as its everywhere and take the precautions you can

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#2878450 3-Mar-2022 17:41

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

The MOH probably sent the wrong message IMO when they said they would stop publishing LOIs. IMO they should still be publishing them and doing full contact tracing for areas with low cases, and they shouldn't have let 500 staff just go like that. We will need to do scanning again when cases drop back and their contact tracing isn't then overwhelmed, so it is going to be difficult to get people scanning again, when it has become second nature. IMO they had a long time to really ramp up the contact tracing and scanning system to make it more automated, and so it doesn't rely on so many people manually doing it.

If Omicron is everywhere and cases are everywhere, whats the point? A work colleague in Hamilton, his Auckland mate's work got tested, 130 of them, 65 have it

Ive read an expert says there may be 8X as many cases as reported, as many wont test just stay home, or its a cold, or they are asymptomatic. If that's the case, to a greater or lesser degree, the dailies show us on the Bell Curve, but the reality may be we are much further up the Bell Curve. In my colleagues example, 65 positives X the places they have been... And the 6 they each infected, and so on. Just treat it as its everywhere and take the precautions you can

The point is flattening the curve, and because most of NZ is weeks behind Auckland, and the low number of cases in many parts of NZ could still be tracked.. I heard one expert referring to it as a bit like a Mexican wave, where you will get the peak in Auckland occurring well before many other parts of NZ which may have their peaks weeks later. The risks at the moment of catching it will be higher in Auckland than other parts of NZ because of the % of people infected being higher. Apparently we are 1-2 weeks away from the peak in Auckland, and perhaps 3 weeks from the peak in hospital cases. But flattening the curve does help the health system to spread the load over a longer period of time.

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#2878475 3-Mar-2022 18:45

mattwnz:

The point is flattening the curve, and because most of NZ is weeks behind Auckland, and the low number of cases in many parts of NZ could still be tracked.. I heard one expert referring to it as a bit like a Mexican wave, where you will get the peak in Auckland occurring well before many other parts of NZ which may have their peaks weeks later. The risks at the moment of catching it will be higher in Auckland than other parts of NZ because of the % of people infected being higher. Apparently we are 1-2 weeks away from the peak in Auckland, and perhaps 3 weeks from the peak in hospital cases. But flattening the curve does help the health system to spread the load over a longer period of time.

I dont want to disagree. I'd be ok with an 8 week lockdown, but most arent. And when most seem to be asymptomatic, thats a problem. And when most are over it, thats a problem. The saviour is that its milder, but its an issue for those with other issues. But its better than Delta for all of us.

IMO that ship has sailed, even though I feel your sentiment.

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#2878546 3-Mar-2022 22:54

wellygary:
Dr Bloomfield has said that they are only interested in +ve RAT tests being registered..... and that there is no point in doing it for negative tests...

I too heard him say that at today’s stand up but have since received an email from the Ministry of Health, Subject: COVID-19 health key messages - 3 March 2022 that has the following section:
Recording your RAT result
You should report the results of your rapid antigen test (RAT) if you test positive or negative. You can do this online in My Covid Record.
If you need help recording your RAT, call the helpline on 0800 222 478.

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