2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2885819 14-Mar-2022 08:49

vexxxboy:

so far the only person holding out from catching covid in our house is the person who had the booster 6 months after his last vaccine, everyone else was 4 months. Coincidence ?

They might be one of the geneticlly blessed and be immune, or might have got it and have no symptoms. My Wife is being exposed to high school classes with 60% kids testing positive with covid and still has not shown any symptoms herself.

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#2885825 14-Mar-2022 09:07

My wife tested (very faint) positive yesterday.

She had been in very close contact with me since last Monday (I was away the previous weekend, which is where I must have been infected), I tested positive on Wednesday. We cannot and will not isolate from each other in our small house. It took basically five days for her to test positive.

Both of us, it's a head cold. Mine is pretty much gone - throat is OK, sinuses clear. She has a painful cough. Both of us reporting it as a reasonable head cold. It doesn't seem to get lower than the neck.

We were boosted after about 5.5 months (end July second dose, mid Jan booster). It doesn't seem we have passed it on to anyone else. We were in close contact with Family last Tuesday, they are all clear (so far). I'm taking that as the Vaccines working.

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#2885846 14-Mar-2022 09:54

Jase2985:

vexxxboy:

so far the only person holding out from catching covid in our house is the person who had the booster 6 months after his last vaccine, everyone else was 4 months. Coincidence ?

probably not

I'm reading reports that the chance of catching Omicron from a household contact is far from 100%... more like 70% so lots of household contacts are escaping it.

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#2885983 14-Mar-2022 13:29

johno1234:

I'm reading reports that the chance of catching Omicron from a household contact is far from 100%... more like 70% so lots of household contacts are escaping it.

neighbor on one side 2/3 got it.

neighbor on the other side 1/6 got it.

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#2886003 14-Mar-2022 14:22

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antonknee:

You need to let this go. The reality is that you're not going to get the sort of fine grain detail you appear to be looking for - but the reality is it doesn't really matter. It's probably not going to make a massive difference to the numbers if you could exclude them. Plus if someone dies of something (like myocarditis or lung failure or what have you) and they also have Covid, you have no real way to know how much of an impact Covid had on the other issue - was it exacerbated or accelerated etc. It is well established that having Covid is not generally beneficial to one's health.

I agree. What miffs me a little is discussion over Covid, NZ, etc, vs whinging and complaining.

Go back to March 26 2020. We locked down, someone else said its too much its too soon, after saying they would have gone sooner. Its about Covid. Not about politics, there is a thread for that

Just because there's no way of definitively knowing the actual numbers doesn't mean that it shouldn't be discussed that the reported numbers are potentially misleading. At least in this instance, what you call complaining I call civil discourse.

Certainly Covid very likely exacerbated pre-existing conditions in some, but in others it very likely didn't. So that's not a particularly good argument for including all of them in the Covid numbers.

On a similar note (and apologies if this has already been asked an answered), are the hospitalization and ICU numbers reported calculated the same as deaths? E.g. Is someone admitted for a broken pelvis who tests positive on admittance counted in the Covid hospitalization numbers? Is someone in ICU after a car crash who tests positive counted in Covid ICU numbers?

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#2886006 14-Mar-2022 14:27

Paul1977:

Just because there's no way of definitively knowing the actual numbers doesn't mean that it shouldn't be discussed that the reported numbers are potentially misleading. At least in this instance, what you call complaining I call civil discourse.

I dont think there is a secrecy over the fact that some people wont get tested or advise a RATS result. If the numbers are misleading its our fault. However, the metric of choice now is hospital numbers, and thats accurate.

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#2886013 14-Mar-2022 14:50

Jase2985:

vexxxboy:

so far the only person holding out from catching covid in our house is the person who had the booster 6 months after his last vaccine, everyone else was 4 months. Coincidence ?

probably not

Agreed. Had my booster in December. Others in Jan & Feb. All 3 of us don't have COVID-19, even with 2 other household members having the disease for the last week.

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#2886415 15-Mar-2022 11:45

I know an unvaccinated 65-year old who just recovered from Covid in three days. They said they'd had worse colds.

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#2886417 15-Mar-2022 11:51

Everyone's experience is different though. It would be nice if everyone's outcomes were the same as your friend.

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#2886458 15-Mar-2022 13:11

MaxineN:

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/14494-community-cases-896-hospital-18-icu-8-deaths

I think it's too early to call it that we've peaked.

People could just not be testing/reporting their results.

Weekend results have certainly been lesser but maybe there is a silver lining?

I'm not an expert and I'm not gonna start being one. Going to be on the fence with today's numbers.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/463341/covid-19-update-21-616-new-community-cases-960-people-in-hospital

This aged like milk.

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#2886466 15-Mar-2022 13:22

MaxineN:

MaxineN:

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/14494-community-cases-896-hospital-18-icu-8-deaths

I think it's too early to call it that we've peaked.

People could just not be testing/reporting their results.

Weekend results have certainly been lesser but maybe there is a silver lining?

I'm not an expert and I'm not gonna start being one. Going to be on the fence with today's numbers.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/463341/covid-19-update-21-616-new-community-cases-960-people-in-hospital

This aged like milk.

"Bloomfield has recognised the interest between people in hospital because of covid, compared to being there with covid.

He said there are generally 3 groups that standout in the situation. First group - people are there with covid-related symptoms. Second group - people with pre-existing conditions who get covid and they're being treated in hospital for that condition. Then there are people with other reasons, like an injury they're in hospital for, who test positive while there.

Bloomfield gave a snapshot of just one hospital at a given time and the hospital rates seen. There were a lot of figures he mentioned, but the key one that stood out was that only about 20% were there to be treated for Covid-related symptoms. The rest were there for a range of other conditions, such as pre-existing, surgical, gynecology and paediatric care."

That's quite telling. And positive.

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#2886518 15-Mar-2022 13:37

MaxineN:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/463341/covid-19-update-21-616-new-community-cases-960-people-in-hospital

This aged like milk.

Its clear from the charts at today's presser that Auckland has peaked, probably at the end of Feb...

Also national National Hospitalisations only rose from 952 to 960.,

I think we are getting close to peaking (on a national scale) , but that's driven by Auckland which will mask the other regions,

So hang in there numbers should start going down around the country soon

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#2886539 15-Mar-2022 14:30

tdgeek:

"Bloomfield has recognised the interest between people in hospital because of covid, compared to being there with covid.

He said there are generally 3 groups that standout in the situation. First group - people are there with covid-related symptoms. Second group - people with pre-existing conditions who get covid and they're being treated in hospital for that condition. Then there are people with other reasons, like an injury they're in hospital for, who test positive while there.

Bloomfield gave a snapshot of just one hospital at a given time and the hospital rates seen. There were a lot of figures he mentioned, but the key one that stood out was that only about 20% were there to be treated for Covid-related symptoms. The rest were there for a range of other conditions, such as pre-existing, surgical, gynecology and paediatric care."

That's quite telling. And positive.

I'd like to see the list of people who got covid while in hospital for something else. Someone in my family (not at my home) was in the hospital for eight days for something completely unrelated. On day nine this person developed a temperature and tests showed positive for covid.

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#2886591 15-Mar-2022 15:17

wellygary:

Its clear from the charts at today's presser that Auckland has peaked, probably at the end of Feb...

Also national National Hospitalisations only rose from 952 to 960.,

I think we are getting close to peaking (on a national scale) , but that's driven by Auckland which will mask the other regions,

So hang in there numbers should start going down around the country soon

I don’t think we’ve peaked. It would be good if we did but I can see several reasons why this is less likely to occur:

1. Auckland hospitalisation is not really going down yet in any graphs I’ve seen. Maybe new hospitalisations are slowing but the more important stat is how many are currently hospitalised reflecting seriousness of disease and difficulties in treatment.

2. The general trend outside of Auckland is increasing hospitalisation. Anecdotally, this week there are 3-5X as many infections in my region. They will push up hospitalisations next week

3. As Covid becomes more widespread and as hospitalisations increase then the risk increases that more vulnerable people will be hospitalised or remain hospitalised for longer. I think this is partly why Auckland figures aren’t improving. I also suspect that, as in general, care is not as good in less well resourced hospitals so when all hospitals are under greater load then I’d expect hospital stays to lengthen.

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#2886624 15-Mar-2022 16:38

freitasm:

I'd like to see the list of people who got covid while in hospital for something else. Someone in my family (not at my home) was in the hospital for eight days for something completely unrelated. On day nine this person developed a temperature and tests showed positive for covid.

This is something I'm worried about. I have to go in to get a new hip (stay on your mountain-bike kids) so will be in for three days. So hospital is a place I'd prefer to avoid at the moment.

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