2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2442212 20-Mar-2020 14:29

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If this goes on for many months, then NZers living there without Aus residency/citizenship could find themselves to be in very deep trouble with no access to benefits etc.

That is a concern and haven't seen it discussed before. Although one would hope that due to the circumstances Australia will look after everyone including all visitors stranded.

I was also wondering what happens to tourists and visitors inside NZ now, if they can't fly back due to no passenger planes for their location, or their countries borders are totally closed off. I am guessing NZ would look after them through this time?

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#2442224 20-Mar-2020 14:33

vexxxboy:

they are now doing a 1000 tests a day and they got 11, all from overseas , dont panic yet.

Yep, to date, so far, touch wood, its just a boring list of people we imported off planes. Agree, don't panic yet. When we do get CT we will do what we are doing now, tracing close contacts. So far that appears to have stopped CT, even though some of these cases have had some community exposure. We seem to catch these soon enough to minimise the time the virus has to spread

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#2442230 20-Mar-2020 14:44

vexxxboy:

they are now doing a 1000 tests a day and they got 11, all from overseas , dont panic yet.

and masks are overrated unless you have the virus. I watched a woman today who had one on walking around the supermarket, every few feet she would rub her mask and then push her hair up off her face.

The masks are critical PPE for front line healthcare staff. I assume the entire production will be going to the healthcare industry. Hospital staff are generally trained and fit tested for their use.

Putting a surgical mask on the patient & a P2 respirator + goggles on the staff is best practice. Sounds like production of local masks will keep the hospital system fed for a few weeks at least before we need to crack open the pandemic stockpile.

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#2442232 20-Mar-2020 14:49

And of course, the dedicated email to dob in those breaching self isolation or gathering size requirements:

nhccselfisolation@health.govt.nz

It was requested it be used "judiciously".

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#2442233 20-Mar-2020 14:50

mattwnz:

Fred99:

If this goes on for many months, then NZers living there without Aus residency/citizenship could find themselves to be in very deep trouble with no access to benefits etc.

That is a concern and haven't seen it discussed before. Although one would hope that due to the circumstances Australia will look after everyone including all visitors stranded.

I was also wondering what happens to tourists and visitors inside NZ now, if they can't fly back due to no passenger planes for their location, or their countries borders are totally closed off. I am guessing NZ would look after them through this time?

Hmmm...

I haven't seen much sign of generosity toward NZers living in Aus long-term who don't become citizens.

Tourists and visitors stuck here shouldn't be because their countries closed borders to their own citizens (which they should never do), but because transport just got a hell of a lot trickier, some are going to have problems.

I just saw a FB post from an old friend from the US who's in Guatemala. Can't fly back to the US, and apparently Guatemala have banned more than two people traveling in one car, so two of them would have to get 2 taxis for a 6 hour drive to the Mexican border which is rumoured to be closing, then try to get to the US border. They're staying put - the escape plan seems a bit too dodgy. I have no idea why with the developing situation they thought a quick overseas holiday was a good idea - but it's too late now.

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#2442236 20-Mar-2020 14:55

Scott3:

Sounds like production of local masks will keep the hospital system fed for a few weeks at least before we need to crack open the pandemic stockpile.

Surely these masks can be cleaned and sterilized?

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#2442238 20-Mar-2020 14:59

frankv:

Scott3:

Sounds like production of local masks will keep the hospital system fed for a few weeks at least before we need to crack open the pandemic stockpile.

Surely these masks can be cleaned and sterilized?

No, they are by nescesity single use so you do not transfer contamination from one patient to another.

They need to be cheap

So they are made of materials that can not be sterilised again

Sterilisation costs MORE than a new mask.

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#2442241 20-Mar-2020 15:13

Scott3:

And of course, the dedicated email to dob in those breaching self isolation or gathering size requirements:

nhccselfisolation@health.govt.nz

It was requested it be used "judiciously".

That reminds me, yesterday there was a video on the news about 'Spring Break in Florida, which is currently underway. Some young guy party was on it saying they don't care if they get it. That has to be one of the most selfish things I have seen for a while, because everyone who gets it can then spread it to other people.

I have also heard people in NZ say they aren't worried if they get it. IMO we need to break that attitude fast, because everyone who gets it can spread it to other people. IMO We need people to go out of their way not to get it. Physical distancing is a start, and appears to be the wording the MOH is now using.

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#2442242 20-Mar-2020 15:14

Covid-19: start-up that saved lives with 3D-printed valve may face legal action

MedicalDevice-network.com By Chloe Kent

Italian 3D printing start-up Isinnova has saved the lives of ten Covid-19 patients after developing a replacement ventilator valve when supplies at Chiari hospital in Brescia ran dry.

However, the firm may now be facing legal action from the manufacturer of the original part, according to Italian newspaper La Stampa.

The Bresica region of Italy has been hit hard by Covid-19, and valves were urgently required so that intensive care patients could be placed on ventilators, but Chiari’s regular supplier wasn’t able to provide the devices in time.

Digital fabrication company FabLab founder Massimo Temporelli was then contacted by the editor of the Giornale di Bresica to see if the part could be 3D-printed instead.

Through a network of additive manufacturers, word eventually reached local 3D printing start-up Isinnova founder & CEO Cristian Fracassi. Fracassi delivered a 3D printer directly to the hospital and was able to redesign and produce a new valve piece within just six hours.
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#2442243 20-Mar-2020 15:18

California shut down as all 40 million residents told to stay home

Thats ok if you do this for 14 days, and block all roads at the state lines

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#2442254 20-Mar-2020 15:23

Countdown is not allowing people to buy more than 'two of anything'.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120447139/countdown-introduces-limits-across-all-products-as-demand-surges

Reading the article, it doesn't apply to fruit and vegetables and deli counter.

I had been seeing people spending $1500 in one shop.

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#2442256 20-Mar-2020 15:27

mattwnz:

Countdown is not allowing people to buy more than 'two of anything'.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120447139/countdown-introduces-limits-across-all-products-as-demand-surges

Reading the article, it doesn't apply to fruit and vegetables and deli counter.

Good I was going to ask you about grapes and peas...

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#2442259 20-Mar-2020 15:34

frankv:

e kinds of numbers before in "job-creation schemes". It seems an extraordinary amount of money for little result. There must be a whole bunch of ticket-punchers and consultants and project managers feeding at this trough.

Why not just give each worker $100,000 and tell them to come back next year? And give me $200K for thinking of this.

When the economy picks up(ie we get back to exporting logs to China, one of our largest exports) those companies and staff will be ready to start again. It's no good to have them going under and millions of dollars of machines in receivers hands and no one ready to export product. It's a small price to pay to keep a skilled workforce available. The same will go for port companies that may face financial pressure, we will see similar deals to keep staff employed within related industries(ie kiwirail work or something).

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#2442261 20-Mar-2020 15:39

mattwnz:

Countdown is not allowing people to buy more than 'two of anything'.

I'd better go check the hen coop for eggs. If there's more than two I'll do the right thing.

(Actually bad timing for all this - the chooks are starting to go off the lay).

Apparently vegetable seedlings are selling out too.

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#2442264 20-Mar-2020 15:40

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

Countdown is not allowing people to buy more than 'two of anything'.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120447139/countdown-introduces-limits-across-all-products-as-demand-surges

Reading the article, it doesn't apply to fruit and vegetables and deli counter.

Good I was going to ask you about grapes and peas...

Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something.

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