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#3268038 4-Aug-2024 13:16

Just saw a great comment in another Covid thread:

People like you mocked us antivaxxers when we warned of what was going to happen, but when half the world was sterilized and then died of vaccine-related side effects and Bill Gates ushered in a New World Order, you all got awfully quiet.

Good point, whoever you are.

Edited to add: In case of any confusion, this was satire, the guy was pointing out that none of the nonsense they were panicking about happened.

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#3268075 4-Aug-2024 15:04

neb:

Just saw a great comment in another Covid thread:

People like you mocked us antivaxxers when we warned of what was going to happen, but when half the world was sterilized and then died of vaccine-related side effects and Bill Gates ushered in a New World Order, you all got awfully quiet.

Good point, whoever you are.

These people are so dissociated from reality that it's like they live in another dimension with different nature rules.

Or they are just simply useful idiots.

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#3269228 7-Aug-2024 18:11

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Ragnor:

What is going on with medsafe, why does it take 8 months to approve a vaccine already approved in multiple other countries?

https://x.com/CovidSafeNZ/status/1809043692701036726

Because the legislative requirements are different here. It's not just ticking a box.... not by a LONG shot.

Manufacturing validation

Purchase chain validation

Shipping chain validation

Storage requirements validation

Who can administer it, training, validation, validation of post use emergency response

etc etc etc etc, none of these things are impacted by "other countries"

And ALL this information must be made available before the decision gets made, reviewed, feed back made by "stake holders", etc etc etc.

There is no pandemic happening needing any of this to be fast tracked.

NZ Pharmaceutical GMP uses PIC/S so yeah it is impacted by other countries.

The Medicines act is a long long way part it's use by date and this is one example. It was to be superceded by the Therapeutic Practices Act but that is in the process of being repealed and a new bill will be introduced.

One of the current coalition governments policies is that Medsafe will approve new pharmaceuticals within 30 days of them being approved by at least two overseas regulatory agencies recognised by New Zealand.

Whether or not Pharmac will fund those medicines and the health system will deliver them is a somewhat different, and far more complex, issue.

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#3272062 15-Aug-2024 13:43

I wonder who they'll use for guidance. Australia has to be one 👍 And America can't be the other 😂

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#3272080 15-Aug-2024 14:30

neb:

Just saw a great comment in another Covid thread:

People like you mocked us antivaxxers when we warned of what was going to happen, but when half the world was sterilized and then died of vaccine-related side effects and Bill Gates ushered in a New World Order, you all got awfully quiet.

Gotta love how they casually toss in "Black is White" and "Up is down" into a conversation and just keep on rolling :)

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#3279419 6-Sep-2024 07:22

No surprises in these results

Especially the 8 in 10 who no longer roll up sleeves to keep ontop

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-data-how-much-protection-is-the-covid-vaccine-giving-kiwis/QJKUGSDD5RCHHIZKH3DDWHR2T4/

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#3279482 6-Sep-2024 09:25

Oblivian: No surprises in these results

Especially the 8 in 10 who no longer roll up sleeves to keep ontop

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-data-how-much-protection-is-the-covid-vaccine-giving-kiwis/QJKUGSDD5RCHHIZKH3DDWHR2T4/

"The study comes as figures show most of the under-65 population eligible for free second boosters – including around eight in 10 people in their 30s and 40s – haven’t bothered to get one."

As someone in their 30s I've recently had my third booster! A lot of people in this age group are very ambivalent about it though. Falls into the same category as the annual influenza vaccination, a minority of people will get it every year, most won't ever bother.

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#3279491 6-Sep-2024 10:05

I am religious about getting my Covid and flu boosters. I haven't had the flu since I was a child and I haven't had Covid unless it was asymptomatic.

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#3286443 26-Sep-2024 01:28

Batman:

athletes at the Olympics are competing some not knowing they have covid, tested after feeling unwell, then take a few days off and then race another event. it's like catching a cold it seems.

While the symptoms may feel like a mild cold for many people, it behaves much differently than a common cold or flu virus ie: binds to ACE2 receptor, can infect any cell type in the body, can cross the blood brain barrier etc etc. Long term damage/effects are not well known as yet.

For example...

Eye damage

https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/educate/practice/eye-problems-give-clues-systemic-impact-covid-19

Mild infection vs uninfected, infected had cognitive impairment for at least 1 year later

https://x.com/EricTopol/status/1837934267495862439

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#3286460 26-Sep-2024 07:11

Rikkitic:

I am religious about getting my Covid and flu boosters. I haven't had the flu since I was a child and I haven't had Covid unless it was asymptomatic.

We got our boosters 6 weeks before flying to the USA...just in case

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#3286486 26-Sep-2024 08:42

Ragnor:

Batman:

athletes at the Olympics are competing some not knowing they have covid, tested after feeling unwell, then take a few days off and then race another event. it's like catching a cold it seems.

While the symptoms may feel like a mild cold for many people, it behaves much differently than a common cold or flu virus ie: binds to ACE2 receptor, can infect any cell type in the body, can cross the blood brain barrier etc etc. Long term damage/effects are not well known as yet.

For example...

Eye damage

https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/educate/practice/eye-problems-give-clues-systemic-impact-covid-19

Mild infection vs uninfected, infected had cognitive impairment for at least 1 year later

https://x.com/EricTopol/status/1837934267495862439

Interesting article - looks like it is just published, but the actual study started in March - July of 2021 and concluded in July 2022. This means that this case study is all pre-Omicron. What's really surprising to me is they didn't sequence what variant was used to infect people. It was most likely Delta which was the dominant strain in spring 2021 and has been the most virulent Covid strain causing the most severe cases of illness to-date. So this does raise a bit of question for me.

That aside and from a personal perspective, I got covid in August 2022 for the first time, I had had 3 boosters at that stage IIRC and my case was like a bad flu - no sever symptoms and I took a course of paxlovid to try and control it. I can say that with 100% certainty, I subjectively observed cognitive impacts up to about 90 days. I'm not going to play any false modestly here...I'm a reasonably 'sharp' person and I noticed myself making all kinds of mistakes that I don't normally make. This attenuated by about 6 months, but to this day I still kind of wonder if my normally razor sharp memory is just a tad duller (or if it's just my getting squarely into middle-age now!).

I had a 2nd case of covid in June this year that was quite mild and I went from positive to testing negative in 5 days. I didn't notice any subjective changes on my 2nd infection.

TL;DR
There are few caveats to consider for those reading this post that did not read the paper. Sample size is pretty small. 34 young and healthy participants—only half of which got infected. Infection strains are not specified in the study, but were all pre-Omicron. Effects seemed to be noticeable, but minor and were mostly to memory and executive function. None of the subjects reported subjective cognitive deficits.

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#3286500 26-Sep-2024 09:16

I find myself interestingly in a similar position. My entire professional career I've had the names of the people I interact with even occasionally to mind instantly - and I started noticing after I had Covid that the names weren't there...I was having to think of an email the person would have sent me and search for it to remember the name. Again I'm middle-aged and these cognitive impacts aren't unexpected - but it seemed particularly sudden that I hadn't noticed any issues until I started noticing it often. Perception biases aside, long-term cognitive impacts are among the symptoms that have been described more widely among those who have long Covid.

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#3286763 26-Sep-2024 18:30

Canuckabroad:

I find myself interestingly in a similar position. My entire professional career I've had the names of the people I interact with even occasionally to mind instantly - and I started noticing after I had Covid that the names weren't there...I was having to think of an email the person would have sent me and search for it to remember the name. Again I'm middle-aged and these cognitive impacts aren't unexpected - but it seemed particularly sudden that I hadn't noticed any issues until I started noticing it often. Perception biases aside, long-term cognitive impacts are among the symptoms that have been described more widely among those who have long Covid.

I've started forgetting stuff like that too - note that I caught coronavirus after I was fully vaccinated. What's concerning to me is I used to have a razor-sharp memory for names, numbers, etc. Mentioned it to my doctor a few times but she thought it was just because "life is busy, so we can forget things".

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#3286895 26-Sep-2024 23:36

Is this an effect of subjective self-assessment? That is, without Covid people would just chalk it up to getting older if they noticed it at all, while with Covid you're more aware of it, in the same way that someone coughing in your vicinity has now become a cause for concern rather than something you'd barely notice.

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#3286910 27-Sep-2024 07:51

neb:

Is this an effect of subjective self-assessment? That is, without Covid people would just chalk it up to getting older if they noticed it at all, while with Covid you're more aware of it, in the same way that someone coughing in your vicinity has now become a cause for concern rather than something you'd barely notice.

I think you mean Confirmation Bias. Yeah, certainly in my case and the others who posted similarly that could be true. However, that was kind of why I made the comment about this Lancet article because it doesn't deal with confirmation bias and what's notable is that the subjects who showed cognitive effects did not report any subjective effects. I suppose you could also try to make an argument that their research was affected by Observation Bias, but Lancet is one of the best regarded journals in the world for peer-reviewed research so they are pretty cautious/selective on what they publish.

The biggest caveats for looking at this research are the small sample size, the subjects were unvaccinated and that the variant of covid was not sequenced (but most likely Delta). So for most of us in NZ we were likely vaccinated (possibly multiple times before our first infection) and our first infection was most likely an Omicron sub-lineage.

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