2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2414398 7-Feb-2020 22:12

mattwnz: It doesn't look good. I had heard that there were rumours that this could have come out of a lab in the city that the outbreak occurred. Something doesn't add up imo including the way China are now handling it.

Back in the 1600's I heard a rumor the cause of the Black Death was witches. Get a grip guys.

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#2414411 7-Feb-2020 23:31

frankv: This can't be the percentage of infectees in the general population, given that China has 20,000+ infectees and would therefore need 4,000+ ICU beds. Even as a percentage of hospital presentations it seems outrageously high. So I'm guessing it's the percentage of patients admitted to hospital with Coronavirus who end up in ICU?

There's plenty of stories coming out about large numbers of people who can't get to hospitals due to no transport. And plenty who do get there find huge queues and often (or so it would seem) get turned away due to a lack of capacity. Are any of these people making it onto the official count (should these stories be true)

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#2414412 7-Feb-2020 23:33

gzt:

mattwnz: It doesn't look good. I had heard that there were rumours that this could have come out of a lab in the city that the outbreak occurred. Something doesn't add up imo including the way China are now handling it.

Back in the 1600's I heard a rumor the cause of the Black Death was witches. Get a grip guys.

Seems like the internet hasn't improved over all this time...

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#2414496 8-Feb-2020 07:26

Dratsab:
gzt:

Back in the 1600's I heard a rumor the cause of the Black Death was witches. Get a grip guys.

Seems like the internet hasn't improved over all this time...

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#2414510 8-Feb-2020 08:44

mattwnz:

It doesn't look good. I had heard that there were rumours that this could have come out of a lab in the city that the outbreak occurred. Something doesn't add up imo including the way China are now handling it.

So the researchers who found this Coronavirus in wild bats are wrong?

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#2414535 8-Feb-2020 09:33

the lab actually was doing tests on bat diseases, and there are photos of people doing the work with masks and gloves but not much else protection (bare arms)

not really unbelievable that someone who was infected wandered down to the markets for a snack and infected more people.

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#2414537 8-Feb-2020 09:44

QJay:

not really unbelievable

It's also not really unbelievable that if you make a leather beak, stuff it with garlic and stinking herbs, sit it on your face 24/7 for the next 12 months - and over that period don't catch the virus, then the leather beak helped save you.

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#2414540 8-Feb-2020 09:54

Anything is possible. But right now China is in a bad state. I've seen videos from ground zero people are quarantined in mass like cage chickens (but on modern hospital beds ) so if anyone is infected it is expected the entire warehouse will die from it. And they are coming to houses with temperature guns and anyone they find with a fever are dragged into a cage on the back of a Ute ( I'm not kidding it's in the videos) and driven to presumably the certain death quarantine facilities that are not there for treatment. I'm sure there are varying standards and practices around the massive continent country but the videos don't lie. The people doing the dragging in hazmat suits, the people around screaming and crying.

This is what i think is happening. Central govt issues an order to provincial govt (this is the normal chain of command in China): do whatever it takes. And the provincial govt interprets and do what they feel it takes.

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#2414544 8-Feb-2020 10:11

QJay: the lab actually was doing tests on bat diseases, and there are photos of people doing the work with masks and gloves but not much else protection (bare arms)

The most frequently shared video of someone eating bat soup was a travel presenter filmed by a travel show visiting Palau, a Micronesian Island. It's a different country. Not even China. Bats have been eaten by the local islanders for a long time. Other frequently shared videos of bat eating have been sourced to Indonesia. That's two different countries and not China.

https://observers.france24.com/en/20200203-china-coronavirus-bat-soup-debunk-videos-viral-palau-indonesia

I'm not aware of the research lab photos you refer to yet but realistically they could be from anywhere. Interested to take a look if anyone here has links.

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#2414594 8-Feb-2020 11:06

I just hope China doesn't start a massive bat cull, or destroying caves.

Don’t Blame Bat Soup for the Wuhan Virus

Racist memes target Chinese eating habits, but the real causes of the coronavirus are more mundane.

Foreign Policy.com, by James Palmer

As news of the Wuhan virus spread online, one video became emblematic of its claimed origin: It showed a young Chinese woman, supposedly in Wuhan, biting into a virtually whole bat as she held the creature up with chopsticks. Media outlets from the Daily Mail to RT promoted the video, as did a number of prominent extremist bloggers such as Paul Joseph Watson. Thousands of Twitter users blamed supposedly “dirty” Chinese eating habits—in particular the consumption of wildlife—for the outbreak, said to have begun at a so-called wet market that sold animals in Wuhan, China.

There was just one problem. The video wasn’t set in Wuhan at all, where bat isn’t a delicacy. It wasn’t even from China. Instead it showed Wang Mengyun, the host of an online travel show, eating a dish in Palau, a Pacific island nation.

...At a time of heightened fear over a viral pandemic, the Palau video has been deployed in the United States and Europe to renew an old narrative about the supposedly disgusting eating habits of foreigners, especially Asians.

...But as it turns out, the market may not have been the cause of the outbreak at all. A new study shows that the early known victims had no contact with the market. And although the virus, at present, does seem to have originated in bats, it’s unclear how it made its way to humans. It’s quite likely no chowing down on the creatures of the night was involved.

...The country’s food safety standards are notoriously bad, despite numerous government-led initiatives to improve them. Food scandals are common, and diarrhea and food poisoning are a distressingly regular experience. Markets, like Huanan, that aren’t licensed for live species nevertheless sell them. Workers are undertrained in basic hygiene techniques like glove-wearing and hand-washing. Dangerous additives are commonly used to increase production.

China’s conditions are not unique. It looks, in fact, a lot like the United States did in the past, before muckraking exposés led to the creation of modern regulation systems. Even today, the United States can lag behind best practices on such issues as antibiotics in feed, cattle slaughter, or poultry washing. And, as with the American public of the 1900s, the Chinese citizenry badly wants change. Seventy-seven percent of the public ranks food safety as their single biggest concern.

As with so much else in China, politics gets in the way of sensible policy. Exposés of the kind that drove reform in the United States have a hard time finding traction in China’s censorious media environment, where the interests of billion-dollar corporations and their party backers often override those of the public. When the author Zhou Qing wrote a groundbreaking exposé, What Kind of God, on the Chinese food industry in 2006, two-thirds of the book was removed before publication and its success eventually forced him into political exile.

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#2414602 8-Feb-2020 11:39

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QJay: the lab actually was doing tests on bat diseases, and there are photos of people doing the work with masks and gloves but not much else protection (bare arms)

The most frequently shared video of someone eating bat soup was a travel presenter filmed by a travel show visiting Palau, a Micronesian Island. It's a different country. Not even China. Bats have been eaten by the local islanders for a long time. Other frequently shared videos of bat eating have been sourced to Indonesia. That's two different countries and not China.

https://observers.france24.com/en/20200203-china-coronavirus-bat-soup-debunk-videos-viral-palau-indonesia

I'm not aware of the research lab photos you refer to yet but realistically they could be from anywhere. Interested to take a look if anyone here has links.

cant find the pic on the net but i took a photo of it with my phone to send to gf when i saw it so still have that.

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#2414606 8-Feb-2020 11:47

A word of advice to everyone in this thread. Comments about the disease that aren't based on facts will be removed. Racist comments will result in a ban.

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#2414612 8-Feb-2020 12:09

@QJay:

the lab actually was doing tests on bat diseases, and there are photos of people doing the work with masks and gloves but not much else protection (bare arms)

not really unbelievable that someone who was infected wandered down to the markets for a snack and infected more people.

What lab are you referring to please? Photos need to be supplied to support your statement.

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#2414614 8-Feb-2020 12:16

freitasm:

@QJay:

the lab actually was doing tests on bat diseases, and there are photos of people doing the work with masks and gloves but not much else protection (bare arms)

not really unbelievable that someone who was infected wandered down to the markets for a snack and infected more people.

What lab are you referring to please? Photos need to be supplied to support your statement.

we were already discussing this private, why bring it here

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#2414615 8-Feb-2020 12:17

I've banned someone for first attacking someone else and then escalating this via PM.

If you can't provide reliable sources, don't post rumours or unsubstantiated stories.

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