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  #2446297 25-Mar-2020 14:07
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JA speaking in Parliament TV3

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #2446298 25-Mar-2020 14:08
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freitasm:

 

Dingbatt:

 

So Level 4 restrictions start at 2359 tomorrow.

 

Any bets how long it is before the first reports of people flouting the rules? Not people just trying to get home, but deliberately ignoring what they are supposed to do.

 

I have some faith in human nature, so I’ll say a week.

 

 

One hour.

 

 

Always the optimist, @freitasm! Some stooopids are going to try it on right after midnight just to show how 'clever' they are.

 

BTW, in view of "On Wednesday 23 March, the Prime Minister issued an Epidemic Notice under section 5 of the Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006" [https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-epidemic-notice] and "The Minister of Civil Defence, Peeni Henare, has declared a state of national emergency over the Covid-19 pandemic" [https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/03/25/1099856/state-of-national-emergency-declared

 

I recommend that everyone reads this most excellent article at The Spinoff, follows the links and finds out just how broad and draconian are the powers that the government has given itself.

 

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  #2446299 25-Mar-2020 14:08
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amiga500:

They are armed with semi-auto rifles.



In the interests of accuracy, they are in fact armed with automatic rifles - the FAMAS to be exact. Semi-automatic rifles are those which were banned in NZ from civilian ownership last year.

I cannot think of a military that uses semi-automatic rifles.

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  #2446300 25-Mar-2020 14:09
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gchiu:

 

so, there is no exponential increase in the infections amongst the returnees?

 

 

In not sure you can even use exponential, with that. They are one way tickets, they arent being naturally caused by the virus, they are caused by A380';s and A340's. Flights will stop tonight. So after the lag period when the infections from these flights has passed (and counted), there wont be any new cases from tomorrows flights as there wont be any tomorrow flights. BUT the risk in NZ for the exisiting Covid-19 remains the same. The CT's. Good news is we are not adding more Covid-19's into NZ, but they are self isolating anyhow(we hope). We can now ignore that rather than test that, and focus on CT, which is officially 4, and unofficially  it is  ?


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  #2446301 25-Mar-2020 14:10
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dejadeadnz:

There's gotta be a point where people need to use their brains.

 

 

I think some people don't have any to use. If I hear one more person say "it's just the flu, what's the fuss about?" I'll go postal.

 

 

Even after x thousand/million dead, these people will still be saying "well, that wasn't anything to panic about, just the flu, we should have kept everything open".

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  #2446302 25-Mar-2020 14:12
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@neb, you're absolutely right. The better this isolation works, the louder they will howl about how unnecessary it was.

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  #2446303 25-Mar-2020 14:13
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dogstar001: 

I guess the risk is, is that in a 3 person flat. Flatmate 1 who has the virus with only mild symptoms, passes it to flatmate 2 two weeks from now. Flatmate 2 also has mild symptoms & passes it to flatmate 3, 4 weeks from now as the lockdown ends.

Flatmate 3 is a party animal & goes on a post lockdown bender & spreads the the virus all over the place.

 

Flatmate 1 needs to self report, flatmates 2 and 3 must report it if he doesn't.

 

There's no perfect solution, but I believe median time from infection to first showing symptoms is about 5 1/2 days.  There are certainly some "asymptomatic cases", but not as many as some people seem to be suggesting (maybe ~20%).  There's still a chance that what you say can happen, probably other scenarios too where cases will slip through the trap, but overall we need to reduce transmission so that each case infects fewer than one other "on average" - to get this under control. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2446304 25-Mar-2020 14:14
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Zepanda66:

Officially theres only 4 levels. However I'm like 90% certain I saw a Unite against COVID-19 ad on tv the other day and it mentioned there being a level 5. It wouldn't shock me if there was a level 5. Only 4 levels seemed like an odd number. 

 

 

There are actually seven levels, friend citizen, but you're not cleared to know about them. Even the Prime Minister only knows about level 5.

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  #2446307 25-Mar-2020 14:16
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Are all incoming international passenger flights ceasing tonight?  I know local ones are after Friday, but just realised Im not sure about the returning Kiwis situation from 11-59pm tonight


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  #2446308 25-Mar-2020 14:17
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Ge0rge: @neb, you're absolutely right. The better this isolation works, the louder they will howl about how unnecessary it was.

 

Well maybe we better show them more graphic images from Italy, Spain, and New York.


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  #2446311 25-Mar-2020 14:22
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It's probably been mentioned on here already, but a reporter asked about the homeless at the latest briefing. I hadn't thought of that and it's a very good question.


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  #2446312 25-Mar-2020 14:23
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geekiegeek:

Haven't seen any information regarding what our exit plan is for after 4 weeks. Personally I'm thinking this will go for a lot longer then 4 weeks, possibly 3 months or more. Even then, we would still have the issue of cases arriving from overseas unless we keep our borders closed indefinitely until the world is post-CV19.

 

 

Four weeks isn't the lockdown time, it's the breathing time that's required to figure out what to do next. Estimates from various medical sources overseas [Citation needed] is that time to "new normal" is 4-5 months.

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  #2446313 25-Mar-2020 14:23
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What a quote, thought I would share: "The virus doesn't move, people move it. We stop moving, the virus stops moving, the virus dies. It's that simple."


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  #2446317 25-Mar-2020 14:29
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Yes, I wonder how amenable people would be to leaving their phone at home? Through unthinking habit, devices could easily be a vector for contamination in either direction.

 

 

I don't think that's particularly "high risk".  Nobody else touches my phone when I'm out.

 

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is shoes.  Leaving them at the front door (and washing hands etc immediately) when you return from a food shopping trip might be a good idea.  People cough/sneeze, that ends up on floors, you walk on it and then tramp it through your house.  The virus can survive for some time on surfaces.  

 

 

You've also got to think of things as if you are a carrier. If so, your phone will probably be a permanent source of reinfection, used with hands in a variety of situations and in a cloud of respiratory spray (with your hand in the firing line at the same time). As a receiver, it would also be easy to go from an infected surface to your hands to your phone and back to your hands. The risk is lower from fomites vs aerosols but repetition of exposure also increases risk. I would have thought you'd be less likely to put your face to the floor.


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  #2446319 25-Mar-2020 14:31
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neb:
geekiegeek:

 

Haven't seen any information regarding what our exit plan is for after 4 weeks. Personally I'm thinking this will go for a lot longer then 4 weeks, possibly 3 months or more. Even then, we would still have the issue of cases arriving from overseas unless we keep our borders closed indefinitely until the world is post-CV19.

 

Four weeks isn't the lockdown time, it's the breathing time that's required to figure out what to do next. Estimates from various medical sources overseas [Citation needed] is that time to "new normal" is 4-5 months.

 

In that case some of those non-essential services will become more essential. Lawns grow, windows break, paint cracks and PCs die and all the people who look after that type of thing are needed.


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