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  #2447061 26-Mar-2020 12:36
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gchiu:

 

All we need to do is have solidarity with each other and support each other while we are in isolation. 

 

We don't need vectors of new infection out there as though they're on a spring break or Rubella party.

 

 

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  #2447071 26-Mar-2020 12:48
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After walking down to my local pharmacy, as I was walking back home a police car passed me. They didn't stop to ask me what I was doing however.


 
 
 
 


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  #2447072 26-Mar-2020 12:48
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eracode:

 

MileHighKiwi:

 

We (BNZ) are giving customers 3 options, if they are employed but are on reduced income or receiving govt subsidy:

 

  • Reduced principal & interest payments for up to 6 months. Example: customer says I can only afford X
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  • Home loan repayment 'holiday' for up to 6 months.

 

I would hope that there isn't any 'extra income' for banks arising from all this. Surely the change in receipt of income is only a timing difference?

 

 

Inevitably the above two methods extend the loan as the interest due will accumulate against the original term and principal (and indeed the deferred interest will have interest applied to it). I applaud MileHighKiwi's sentiments but the second order effect is that the mortgagee will end up paying more over the life of the loan.

 

If it's being structured somehow that this isn't what happens I will be delighted


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  #2447076 26-Mar-2020 12:51
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  #2447082 26-Mar-2020 12:58
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mattwnz:
gchiu: NZ like many countries runs a hospital system that is always at peak capacity. That's why when winter comes the hospitals are full and beds flow into corridors etc. There is no extra capacity to handle a pandemic. I presume it's the way hospitals are funded. You don't have money to run a hospital with empty beds, and staff with little to do except be there there when required. Everyone needs a full time job. It's just health economics.



Can't they reduce demand and increase capacity by cancelling elective surgery? I know someone's effectivesurgery that had been cancelled due to this.


Yes but the lives saved by these actions will be a drop in the bucket relative to the tidal wave of cases that engulfs our system. You are talking 50 lives saved with a death toll of 50,000.

I like to think the lockdown is the 1st move in a multistaged approach to elimate COVID19 from our country. If the intent is to slow down the spread, then we might as well follow trumps advice & open ourselves up for business.

From what I understand our options are.
1) eliminate it or stamp it out
2) let it run its course.

The "slow down" option is fanciful rubbish. You just can't slow it down fast enough. All this option acheives is substantial economic damage while saving a negligible number of lives. Not to mention the eventual social upheaval as our society breaks down.


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  #2447084 26-Mar-2020 12:59
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JaseNZ:

 

Good point made about the containers that are going to pile up.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120585877/warning-nz-ports-may-start-to-seize-up-this-week-if-nonessential-freight-cant-be-moved

 

 

It will be sorted out.  The PM said that there is no time to sort every issue out, they will do that on the fly, words to that effect. That better than taking two weeks to dot as many i's and cross the t's.  Urgency and common sense will sort these details out


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  #2447085 26-Mar-2020 13:01
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There's a news update now at 1.


 
 
 
 


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  #2447087 26-Mar-2020 13:07
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78 new cases. Now at 283. 27 have recovered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2447088 26-Mar-2020 13:08
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COVID-19 - current cases

 

Interesting details there. People affected in their teens and 20s. Their symptoms may not be as serious as the elderly but I think it still demonstrates to the overconfident youth that they are nonetheless susceptible.


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  #2447090 26-Mar-2020 13:18
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Mike Bush:

 

"We came across some people last night who claimed to have no idea about what was required"

 

 


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  #2447091 26-Mar-2020 13:19
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Neighbour had firewood delivered this afternoon in Auckland.

 

Fairly sure this isn't an essential service (not yet anyway particularly in Auckland).
Any guidance on where to report this firewood delivery business?





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  #2447093 26-Mar-2020 13:21
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gchiu:

 

frednz:

 

So, if it's OK to walk say 1km to a park, what's the problem with driving say 8km to this same park if you live that bit further away? You are either able to leave home for a walk in a nearby park or not, I can't see why you can only walk to it and not drive to it. Perhaps someone can explain the Police's reasoning behind this?

 

 

 

 

This is all about crowd control.  Once someone thinks they can drive to the local park, so will everyone else.

 

Everyone needs to be in the same ball park at 2 m separation.  The PM may not have given the exact precise message but the police will understand and enforce.

 

 

 

 

I think its more about limiting the the distance the virus can travel. Driving 8km to a park could spread the virus to a whole new neighborhood.

 

 


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  #2447096 26-Mar-2020 13:22
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Some bloke called talkback last night worried.

 

Cause his just older than teen girl ignored his warnings and was out for a last hurrah party with a pooptonne of their mates and that they wouldn't get back home in time for midnight.

 

 

 

Errrrrr


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  #2447097 26-Mar-2020 13:22
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Prince Charles seems to be doing okay so far.

 

 

 

[Mod edit (MF): fixed name spelling]

 

 


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  #2447099 26-Mar-2020 13:23
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mattwnz:
gchiu: NZ like many countries runs a hospital system that is always at peak capacity. That's why when winter comes the hospitals are full and beds flow into corridors etc. There is no extra capacity to handle a pandemic. I presume it's the way hospitals are funded. You don't have money to run a hospital with empty beds, and staff with little to do except be there there when required. Everyone needs a full time job. It's just health economics.



Can't they reduce demand and increase capacity by cancelling elective surgery? I know someone's effectivesurgery that had been cancelled due to this.


They have cancelled elective non cancer surgery at my dhb 10 days ago.

Running tutorials and simulations for care of covid patients in theatres.

No elective cardiac surgery frees icu beds instantly. Likewise freeing complex non cancer cases frees HDU beds.

But stopping elective surgery doesn't stop in multi trauma patients, critically ill medical patients and cardiac arrest patients from still needing icu beds.

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