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  #2447485 26-Mar-2020 18:43
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Siouxie Wiles discussed this the other day.  She said you could bring the groceries in and leave them for 3 days if you didn't have any bleach to spray the outside.

 

But then one of the Princess ships had virus detected after 17 days so 3 days doesn't seem long enough.

 

But really if there's virus on the outside packaging, all you need to do is wash your hands after handling, and before eating.  That has been shown to be really effective in clinical settings to stop getting the infection, and the viral load is way higher there.

 

 


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  #2447486 26-Mar-2020 18:44
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FineWine:

so we have a race between lung cancer and covid-19

 

 

Oh no, what they're producing is medicinal, as this footage clearly shows.

 
 
 
 


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  #2447487 26-Mar-2020 18:45
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neb:  Gaah, are we going to US-style partisan/muckraking reporting now? They didn't renege on anything, they were informed that they were mistaken and complied with the requirements. Or is it just that the journalist doesn't understand what "renege" means?

 

I guess saying they got slapped by the government isn't considered professional?


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  #2447488 26-Mar-2020 18:46
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  #2447489 26-Mar-2020 18:48
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gchiu:

 

Siouxie Wiles discussed this the other day.  She said you could bring the groceries in and leave them for 3 days if you didn't have any bleach to spray the outside.

 

But then one of the Princess ships had virus detected after 17 days so 3 days doesn't seem long enough.

 

But really if there's virus on the outside packaging, all you need to do is wash your hands after handling, and before eating.  That has been shown to be really effective in clinical settings to stop getting the infection, and the viral load is way higher there.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for that. Wasn't sure what to think, as while it makes sense, Ive not seen any mention anywhere. Spraying bleach it is.


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  #2447492 26-Mar-2020 18:53
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gchiu:

 

vexxxboy:

 

this one really annoys me

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/03/coronavirus-petone-cigarette-factory-imperial-tobacco-open-despite-covid-19-lockdown.html

 

 

Is that with medical grade filters?

 

 

 

 

I support them being open if the alternative is people who smoke, going without cigarettes. I say this as someone who thinks smoking is a filthy habit and believe it shouldn't be allowed.

 

I'd also recommend against trying to quit in the middle of a stressful pandemic. Quitting smoking for most people is very hard. Most people do not need *more* hard in their lives right now, and we don't want additional social stressers to people who are in confined spaces with others.

 

In other words, face one challenge at a time.

 

 


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  #2447494 26-Mar-2020 18:59
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neb:
FineWine:

 

so we have a race between lung cancer and covid-19

 

Oh no, what they're producing is medicinal, as this footage clearly shows.

 

oh dear, so sorry, herbal remedy it is then, though I personally think spliff might be a better choice to inhale.





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  #2447495 26-Mar-2020 19:00
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neb:
DarthKermit:

 

That's a blatant violation of the rules.

 

Is there anyone signed up to Neighbourly who can post a followup notifying them about it? Failing that, is there a reporting address/site for this? Not wanting to crucify them too much, but, sheesh...

 

Easy to find on Google Maps. They’re reporting themselves as open right now (7 pm).

 







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  #2447496 26-Mar-2020 19:04
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tdgeek:

 

gchiu:

 

Siouxie Wiles discussed this the other day.  She said you could bring the groceries in and leave them for 3 days if you didn't have any bleach to spray the outside.

 

But then one of the Princess ships had virus detected after 17 days so 3 days doesn't seem long enough.

 

But really if there's virus on the outside packaging, all you need to do is wash your hands after handling, and before eating.  That has been shown to be really effective in clinical settings to stop getting the infection, and the viral load is way higher there.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for that. Wasn't sure what to think, as while it makes sense, Ive not seen any mention anywhere. Spraying bleach it is.

 

 

 

 

Except what do you do with store brought fruit and veges, that has been sent to you, including apples where you eat the skin/outer packaging? Should we wash them in soapy water like our hands? Supermarkets seem like to put plastic packing around some fruit and veges  these days, so maybe they are going to be doing that from now on, but guessing they are still touched before it goes into that packing? I do wonder how high the actual risk is of being infected this way, because how infectious is this?


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  #2447497 26-Mar-2020 19:05
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networkn:

 

I support them being open if the alternative is people who smoke, going without cigarettes. I say this as someone who thinks smoking is a filthy habit and believe it shouldn't be allowed.

 

I'd also recommend against trying to quit in the middle of a stressful pandemic. Quitting smoking for most people is very hard. Most people do not need *more* hard in their lives right now, and we don't want additional social stressers to people who are in confined spaces with others.

 

In other words, face one challenge at a time.

 

 

 

 

Well, I'm not aware of any shortage of fags, but the greatly increased mortality in men in China has been blamed on their smoking habits.

 

And there is a thought that vaping also greatly increases your risk, so cold turkey won't kill you but impaired pulmonary defences ...

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-vaping-drugs/index.html


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  #2447499 26-Mar-2020 19:08
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Except what do you do with store brought fruit and veges, that has been sent to you, including apples where you eat the skin/outer packaging? Should we wash them in soapy water like our hands? Supermarkets seem like to put plastic packing around some fruit and veges  these days, so maybe they are going to be doing that from now on, but guessing they are still touched before it goes into that packing? I do wonder how high the actual risk is of being infected this way, because how infectious is this?

 

 

We don't have any reports of people being infected by fomites in this fashion.

 

But there's nothing to stop you washing everything with a detergent.  This creates a surfactant around the virus dislodging it from the surface of your item and allows it to be sent to Wellington's highly efficient waste water systems.


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  #2447501 26-Mar-2020 19:09
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networkn:

 

Fred99:

 

Even though pets aren't likely to be able to be infected, it's probably not a good idea to let a neighbour's pet in your house or pat someone else's dog if you're out for a walk etc.

 

 

To be fair, you shouldn't be close enough to pet anyone's anything :)

 

 

Are you sending me messages from my SO or something?

 

🙄

 

 


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  #2447504 26-Mar-2020 19:12
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How come civilians in Northland think they can put up and man roadblocks?





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  #2447507 26-Mar-2020 19:16
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gchiu:

 

mattwnz:

 

Except what do you do with store brought fruit and veges, that has been sent to you, including apples where you eat the skin/outer packaging? Should we wash them in soapy water like our hands? Supermarkets seem like to put plastic packing around some fruit and veges  these days, so maybe they are going to be doing that from now on, but guessing they are still touched before it goes into that packing? I do wonder how high the actual risk is of being infected this way, because how infectious is this?

 

 

We don't have any reports of people being infected by fomites in this fashion.

 

But there's nothing to stop you washing everything with a detergent.  This creates a surfactant around the virus dislodging it from the surface of your item and allows it to be sent to Wellington's highly efficient waste water systems.

 

 

Yup. For sure it's a possible infection route.  Any surface could be.

 

It takes time to actually do all the tests and analysis to find out - you could for example conclude that after washing by some method,  something tested positive because there was still RNA, but the virus may have been inactivated, so you'd need to test by culturing a sample in vitro - it's not something easy to do.

 

Absence of evidence (of risk) doesn't mean evidence of absence (of risk). 


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