2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2447625 26-Mar-2020 23:37

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mattwnz:

If the lockdown is extended, I would hope that people see what is going on in other countries, and will realize that it is a very small sacrifice to make to save lives.

Depends how long for. Too long and I think you have two hopes and one of them is called Bob.

I don't think you'll have to wait until our lockdown is extended to see.

4 weeks ago, there were only a few thousand cases and a hundred deaths outside China.
Today there's about 400,000 cases and about 18,000 deaths outside China, growing exponentially, and only a few countries have managed to slow it down.

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#2447626 26-Mar-2020 23:37

Maybe we should dispense with the emotionality charged language that exhibits racist bias, and not refer to rules as harsh or draconian. I'd call it level 5 containment.

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#2447627 26-Mar-2020 23:42

Not a very happy day from what I saw and heard today.

1. I went to a hospital with my wife today, surprise see no nurse in the hospital is wearing masks, they do have a bottle of hand sanitizer at front door and a sign ask people use it when enter/leaving the hospital though.

2. After get back home, on a forum I regular visit, I saw people talking that nurses are not allowed to use masks unless they are taking care of COVID-19 patients, because the hospital do not have enough masks. WTH???? Aren't today the MoH said there are plenty of medical supply for hospital????

3. The Chinese community in Auckland is trying to donate masks but the Govt and Hospital refuse to take the donation, for what???? just because they want to stand by US so they can put nurses in danger???

2 and 3 I can't not confirm that the posts are posted by people who claim they are(nurse, and person in charge of Chinese community), I just hope that's not true. It is more important to let nurse/doctor to have the resource so they can take care of sick people.

I see grabone and crazysales is selling masks now, which is coming from China, actually in Auckland most Chinese shop is selling masks since China is making more than 100m/day and has opened exporting them(donation too). It is very simple for the Govt asking for help or just buy it from Aliexpress(much cheaper than buy in here too), but why put the nurses in danger? So we can have news that heavily under pressure and infected nurse suicide like in Italy?

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#2447628 26-Mar-2020 23:46

Interesting article on the use of UVC in China for bulk sterilisation of areas. Wouldn't want to go in that "smart lift" though, one problem with the sensor or software flaw and you fry in high-intensity UVC.

This could provide a solution to the sterilisation problem for things like supermarket trolleys, push them into a trolley return which bathes them in UVC and they come out the other side sterile. With contactless payment and self checkouts modified to remove the pointless click-ok-to-continue you could make the supermarket experience free from contact transmission via shared surfaces.

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#2447629 26-Mar-2020 23:57

Hibino:

Not a very happy day from what I saw and heard today.

1. I went to a hospital with my wife today, surprise see no nurse in the hospital is wearing masks, they do have a bottle of hand sanitizer at front door and a sign ask people use it when enter/leaving the hospital though.

2. After get back home, on a forum I regular visit, I saw people talking that nurses are not allowed to use masks unless they are taking care of COVID-19 patients, because the hospital do not have enough masks. WTH???? Aren't today the MoH said there are plenty of medical supply for hospital????

3. The Chinese community in Auckland is trying to donate masks but the Govt and Hospital refuse to take the donation, for what???? just because they want to stand by US so they can put nurses in danger???

2 and 3 I can't not confirm that the posts are posted by people who claim they are(nurse, and person in charge of Chinese community), I just hope that's not true. It is more important to let nurse/doctor to have the resource so they can take care of sick people.

I see grabone and crazysales is selling masks now, which is coming from China, actually in Auckland most Chinese shop is selling masks since China is making more than 100m/day and has opened exporting them(donation too). It is very simple for the Govt asking for help or just buy it from Aliexpress(much cheaper than buy in here too), but why put the nurses in danger? So we can have news that heavily under pressure and infected nurse suicide like in Italy?

interesting read

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-do-face-masks-work.html

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#2447630 27-Mar-2020 00:00

Hibino:

Not a very happy day from what I saw and heard today.

I'm not very happy with a lot of the stuff I've read either. There's some horrific misinformation, conspiracy theory, racist BS being circulated on FB etc. So much for Zuck saying he'd filter out fake news and BS. He lied.

Just note that according to our MoH, there are only 7 Covid 19 patients currently in NZ hospitals, so while there may be a shortage of masks right now, it's probably not as dire as may be being made out by some people. We make them in NZ, apparently.

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#2447631 27-Mar-2020 00:05

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Hibino:

Not a very happy day from what I saw and heard today.

I'm not very happy with a lot of the stuff I've read either. There's some horrific misinformation, conspiracy theory, racist BS being circulated on FB etc. So much for Zuck saying he'd filter out fake news and BS. He lied.

Just note that according to our MoH, there are only 7 Covid 19 patients currently in NZ hospitals, so while there may be a shortage of masks right now, it's probably not as dire as may be being made out by some people. We make them in NZ, apparently.

Facebook is a cesspool. I've been considering exiting for a while. It's just a pain in the posterior as it's a very efficient way to share stuff with people when you live overseas.

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#2447632 27-Mar-2020 00:41

CORONAVIRUS NASOPHARYNGEAL SWAB TESTING

Ok with the commencement of nation wide testing stations I though I would explain the main testing procedure for specimen collection of the coronavirus.

You all would of heard by now about the testing for the coronavirus by someone with a long cotton bud type stick and poking it up your nose. This is called a nasopharyngeal swab. You would have seen photos and videos on the news of this procedure. Some recipients say ‘easy peasy’ and some say ‘bloody awful’ and some say it caused severe trauma to their nose. I personally have only done a handful of these swab tests but I have done a truck load of putting temporary feeding tubes down into the stomach via the nose from babies to adults. The two procedures are the same for the insertion of the object, stick or tube into your nose.

Well, like all medical procedures there is a right way and a wrong way.

The nasal cavity is not a straight tube from the frontal opening, nares, to the exiting at the top back of your throat. It does a 90 degree turn downwards at the very back of the nose, nasal cavity. This curve at the back is called the nasopharynx and is where we are aiming to get to with the swap without going round the curve. On the way to the back is the nasal cavity which is lined with mucous membranes. It is in this area, mainly towards the back, is where the virus likes to reside. It’s warm and it’s moist. A perfect little place to set up shop.

The trouble is if you look at your face and the position of the nose, you would think that you would insert the swap in straight up towards your forehead. You Don’t. Doing that and you will cause trauma and injury. You see the floor of your nose lies approximately parallel to the top of your mouth and the nasal cavity balloons upwards, then sharply narrows downwards at the back.

So the most comfortable method for specimen collection is starting with the head in the neutral position and to slightly tip the head back. That way you can get a good look along the floor of the nose towards the back. Now insert the swab horizontally along the floor of the nasal cavity with the swabs stick portion touching the top of the front opening of the nose, the nares. Insert till it is approximately the same distance as it is to the outer opening of your ear. Now withdraw giving the swab a quick rotated twist on the way out.

If it hurt, then it was not done correctly. If it felt very briefly uncomfortable then job well done, now go home.

Hope this helps allay any testing anxiety. 😀

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2447633 27-Mar-2020 00:53

The Italians have it sorted for people flouting the lockdown: "We will send police. With flamethrowers":

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-mayors-lockdown-covid-19-video-a9422166.html

Deals with the problem, and sterilises the area at the same time.

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#2447635 27-Mar-2020 01:17

Facebook is a cesspool. I've been considering exiting for a while. It's just a pain in the posterior as it's a very efficient way to share stuff with people when you live overseas.

I agree with you completely💯

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#2447637 27-Mar-2020 04:13

Geektastic:

Geektastic:

On the general topic of banks etc, we are in the middle of a real estate transaction that went from "Covid is happening to other people" to "We are in lockdown" between having the offer accepted and reaching the date by which conditions must be signed off.

We have - on the advice of our solicitors and the vendor's agent - formally requested that the transaction be frozen during the lockdown period because it is too difficult to satisfy conditions. ADLS has also suggested that the best way to deal is by pausing these things on the grounds that a 'working day' should not include a Covid lockdown day.

It is of course up to the vendor whether they agree to this.

I mention it in case anyone else is in a similar position - do not be afraid to ask the other side to halt the transaction temporarily. I suspect most reasonable vendors and purchasers will agree. No guarantees in life though!

As an illustration of common sense and stress reduction, I nominate the vendor and the two sets of solicitors involved who have agreed that the satisfaction of conditions clause will now mean 10 working days after we return to Level 2.

My only fear is that this gives rise to a new and exciting legal problem whereby we have to move settlement too because we might end up with the 10 working days falling after the settlement date in the contract if this goes on too long!

However, kudos to everyone for using common sense in this challenging time.

I think many people in New Zealand are "using common sense in this challenging time"
We're in the same situation, unable to complete the final condition (of a boundary survey), and now the settlement date has passed.

The purchasers (through their lawyers) agreed with us (through our lawyer) to complete the deal, less a (large) retention, held - in a Trust account - until
the survey condition is complete. It was made more complicated by us being overseas, and the purchaser being a Trust.
Luckily there was the option of an e-dealing authority, emailing of documents to us and the trustees, and the lawyers quickly moving to a working-from-home situation.

It may have been different if the purchasers were looking for an 'out' from the deal, but it shows how 'common sense' and modern tech cn be used to overcome what - just a decade ago - would have been a major hurdle.

Edit: The surveyors had - of course - left completing the survey 'till the last minute, then, 3 days before settlement announced, 'the bush is too thick to survey through'. An excavator was unloaded on site the very day the PM announced 'level 4 in 48 hours' - and was loaded back up and taken away.
Guess we're taking that one 'for the team'..('team' being everyone gladly putting up with this lockdown inconvenience - for the sake of our society as a whole)

There must be many, many stories like this - and far more complex - happening around the world right now.
I think it may lead to major changes in the way things are done, increasing acceptance of virtual transactions, and tele-..everything.

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#2447638 27-Mar-2020 06:24

mattwnz:

If we can eradicate it, which is what China is trying to do by the looks of it, and not importing new cases, then it is possible to move forward. Then we can run a domestic economy, and any overseas travel would require quarantine until a vaccine is developed. Unless they can develop a quick test for all incoming travelers, that is accurate and doesn't require the person to have symptoms.

Thats where Im at. Our lockdown is I feel, the best apart from China, and its not rampant here. We are importing goods, we can run a domestic economy until UK, Europe and the US resolve it. Well they won't resolve it, it will resolve them and burn out

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#2447639 27-Mar-2020 06:25

Batman:

there are rumours that is hasn't been eradicated in china, but we will find out in a few months.

He said, China is doing, not has done. On the right track for sure

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#2447640 27-Mar-2020 06:34

gchiu: I disagree. It's a virus and will work its way through the infected population and pass during the lockdown period. If the police relax, that just pushes out the lockdown period.

Interestingly 10% of recovered patients are still testing positive but it's not known if they're infectious during normal contact.

I don't think it's a good idea to let infected people to self isolate without any type of surveillance. It might take them 6 weeks to clear the disease, and are we really expecting them to stay inside??

I agree. It would allow infected to cure during the lockdown. If we know more after 4 weeks re cured but still infectious that will decide what we do next. We have been managing imported almost all our cases to date without mass CT. If the lockdown resolves many infected cases by way of time, and flights in are very small, then its comparatively easy to focus on local new cases, nip them in the bud by local alert 3 or 4, and domestic travel lockdowns

That our borders are sea is a HUGE advantage.

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#2447641 27-Mar-2020 06:38

Paul1977: I think they’ll be enough idiots breaking the rules that, while there will be a definite slow down, cases will keep increasing. This will either mean the lock down will need to be extended (probably by a lot), or the lockdown will be lifted followed 2 weeks later by a surge in cases that will put us right back where we started.

The lockdown can only work if everyone follows the rules, and I fear in NZ too many people think the rules only apply to other people.

Police will ramp up if needed. What will happen today and onwards is that cases will rise the same as they have, as they relate to days and days ago situation. Might be 2 to 3 weeks to see a new trend, that may make some public give up. Information is key, Police/Defence Forces the other key

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