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  #2448130 27-Mar-2020 15:42
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freitasm:

Interesting photos from around the world.



That's going to reduce CO2 output




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  #2448136 27-Mar-2020 15:53
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Those photos are somewhat bleak. But I noticed most people are wearing masks which potentially make them look more bleak, although masks in some countries have been the norm for some time as part of everyday life. When I was in Japan, many people had masks, as they don't want to spread any cold or sniffle they may have. That could be one reason why their rates aren't too bad.


 
 
 
 


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  #2448140 27-Mar-2020 15:55
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freitasm:

 

cshwone:

 

Supermarkets are putting up their prices for items and that is a conscious decision by them - at the very least government should be having a word at the highest level with the CEO's

 

Regulation and all that entails should be a last resort

 

 

Folks, read the explanation above which is from another thread. Supermarket promotions are not run by the supermarkets themselves. The suppliers/producers give the supermarkets guidance on prices, when to discount and how much. They pay for advertising, where to advertise even where on the store things should be during promotion.

 

If this is taken away, the supermarkets don't run the promotion.

 

Unless you have intricate insider knowledge - and can give evidence to me - then stop with the discussion now.

 

 

 

 

A family (in-law) member of mine owns a New World supermarket in Auckland, so will probably find out. Will be interesting to see how the store is doing and get their perspective on the lockdown etc.


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  #2448155 27-Mar-2020 16:04
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Do you really not understand this? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?


Here, here's why: it's NOT ABOUT PROFIT, it's about saving literally tens of thousands of lives. This has moved beyond who will be the big winners and losers, it's a threat to public health. So we're not thinking about who is allowed to make money here, we're optimising for preventing the spread of a deadly infectious disease.


Jesus Christ why does this still need to be explained?



If this is the case, why are supermarkets not running at 0 profit?  This is a time when every other competing business has been forced to close.  How is it in the countries best interest for profiteering at supermarkets to occur?  Surely you agree they should remove their profit?



That all sounds very nice and is fairly silly. It's of benefit to everyone for businesses that can continue to make reasonable profits to continue to do so. Profit allows them to pay their staff, pay their suppliers and moves money through the economy. This removes the burden from the taxpayer of paying their staff.

Supermarkets are going about their normal business in abnormal times. Profiteering is something else.

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  #2448158 27-Mar-2020 16:09
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mattwnz:

 

frankv:

 

 

 

The problem is ICU beds... after our ICUs are full, 5% of infected people will die. If we have ICU beds available, only 1% die. So we could allow (say) Auckland to become infected and develop herd immunity, whilst maintaining infection-control "borders" between it and the rest of NZ. Allow open travel between Auckland and the rest of the world. When Auckland's ICUs are full, transport patients to ICUs in other hospitals around the country. When the demand for ICU beds from Auckland falls, remove the "border" between Auckland and Northland. Again, use the whole country's ICUs to treat patients from Northland. Repeat again for Waikato, BOP, etc, etc until the whole country has herd immunity.

 

 

 

 

Anyone know if the government has asked any local manufacturers to look into making  ventilators seriously? Countries like UK appear to have more ventilators per population than NZ has, and apparently 10,000 new ones are being order from Dyson for the UK . I don't know if NZ has any plans to buy new ones due to the current demand for them in other countries? https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/dyson-ventilators-coronavirus/index.htm

 

If Dyson can make them, and they basically make consumer fan and vacuum devices, I can't see why a NZ company couldn't make them considering ventilators aren't exactly new technology, they have been around for decades, and NZ does have a number 8 wire philosophy 

 

 

We won't be able to order new ventilators for six weeks but yeah not sure about manufacturing. As of Wednesday the Ministry of Health still didn't know how many we would need :/

 

We're pretty screwed with this level of planning which has been there from the start, not that you'd know it from those who are constantly singing the government's praises because they have literally no clue how bad things are going to get.

 

I mean when you leave your border open to countries which have major outbreaks like Germany for an entire week... then claim you acted "first" and "early"... Yeah... I mean what they've done isn't too little, but its definitely too late.


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  #2448162 27-Mar-2020 16:13
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Batman:
freitasm:

 

Interesting photos from around the world.

 



That's going to reduce CO2 output

 

Ironic isn't it?  While we can't breathe, Gaia gets a chance to do so.


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  #2448164 27-Mar-2020 16:21
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arcon:I mean when you leave your border open to countries which have major outbreaks like Germany for an entire week... then claim you acted "first" and "early"... Yeah... I mean what they've done isn't too little, but its definitely too late.

 

 

 

 

I don't believe it's been proved to be too late .. but we are soon going to find out.

 

And then we'll have a Commission of Enquiry as to what happened,   and that's assuming we have any legal people of sufficient status to run an enquiry left alive.


 
 
 
 


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  #2448166 27-Mar-2020 16:21
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kingdragonfly: Mr Green, a devout conservative Christian whose net worth is in the region of $6bn, also wrote that “I cannot adequately express how much I appreciate each one of you.

The way a business expresses how much it appreciates a worker is by paying them money. It's capitalism, not rocket science.

This hypocrite doesn't give a sh1t about his workers. Getting his next billion is more important than his supposed Christian values.

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  #2448167 27-Mar-2020 16:23
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frankv:
kingdragonfly: Mr Green, a devout conservative Christian whose net worth is in the region of $6bn, also wrote that “I cannot adequately express how much I appreciate each one of you.

The way a business expresses how much it appreciates a worker is by paying them money. It's capitalism, not rocket science.

This hypocrite doesn't give a sh1t about his workers. Getting his next billion is more important than his supposed Christian values.

 

Are they saying that tithing will protect them as a certain NZ church is claiming?


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  #2448178 27-Mar-2020 16:25
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Not certain if this has been mentioned but the numbers of road deaths & injuries should be down this year.  And other accidental deaths.

 

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Weekly deaths in England & Wales so far this year have been ~3% lower than in the previous five years.

 

https://www.healthwatch-uk.org/2-uncategorised/185-covid-19-1.html

 

Still very early days in this pandemic though.




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  #2448179 27-Mar-2020 16:26
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arcon:

We're pretty screwed with this level of planning which has been there from the start, not that you'd know it from those who are constantly singing the government's praises because they have literally no clue how bad things are going to get.


I mean when you leave your border open to countries which have major outbreaks like Germany for an entire week... then claim you acted "first" and "early"... Yeah...



I completely share your sentiments. I know what i wanted done at the time. But I don't think even the other big party or any other politician would have done any better. If only we could turn back time.




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  #2448185 27-Mar-2020 16:33
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Batman:
arcon:

 

We're pretty screwed with this level of planning which has been there from the start, not that you'd know it from those who are constantly singing the government's praises because they have literally no clue how bad things are going to get.

 

 

 

I mean when you leave your border open to countries which have major outbreaks like Germany for an entire week... then claim you acted "first" and "early"... Yeah...

 



I completely share your sentiments. I know what i wanted done at the time. But I don't think even the other big party or any other politician would have done any better. If only we could turn back time.

 

we just have to go back a few hundred pages to see the response .. some people were objecting to us "knowing" more than the govt.


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  #2448187 27-Mar-2020 16:36
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  #2448188 27-Mar-2020 16:39
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mattwnz:


If Dyson can make them, and they basically make consumer fan and vacuum devices, I can't see why a NZ company couldn't make them considering ventilators aren't exactly new technology, they have been around for decades, and NZ does have a number 8 wire philosophy 



Any medical device has to go through rigorous testing and approval. A patient needs to know that whatever they are connected to won't harm them. Doctors need to know that whatever they connect to their patients won't harm them. You don't just put together something from number 8 wire and chewing gum and hope it all works.

The best I could see would be that an already approved design might be manufactured in NZ. But, if the IP was held by a capitalist, you can bet it wouldn't be cheap.


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  #2448190 27-Mar-2020 16:43
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By saying people can go out to exercise, people are using this as a loophole to do all sorts of things. I have been watching a local subcontractor today driving to and from a new house he is getting built. But people have also also been going out playing cricket on the road, washing cars on the roadside etc. Have been many people cycling etc, someone did a 22km run in insta. I though it was supposed to be a short walk around the block and back inside. What part of stay at home are people having difficulty understanding?

 

 


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