2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2448294 27-Mar-2020 17:47

Paul1977:

I read that more closely related coronaviruses like SARS can only be contracted once (in most cases), and that COVID-19 doesn't mutate to the same degree as seasonal flu. If this is true then a single vaccine may work for many years.

It's certainly mutating http://www.med-mec.com/data/20200219_2019nCov_arXiv.pdf

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#2448295 27-Mar-2020 17:50

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gchiu:

My understanding is that placing these N95 masks in an oven at 70 C for 30 mins is enough to inactivate any virus and this without damaging the physical characteristics of the masks.

Read the paper that presented that result carefully, it comes with a lot of caveats.

Do you have a link?

This study was conducted by Fudan University MedicalThe Department of Virology, the Ministry of Health, the Key Laboratory of Medical Sciences and the Academy of Medical Sciences and the Department of Environmental Hygiene of the School of Public Health jointly conducted the “Experimental Research on Safe and Fast Regenerating Disposable Medical Masks” published online in the academic journal “Microbiology and Infection” in 2020Volume 15, Issue 1.

Presumably in Chinese, so can you translate it for us since you've read it.

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#2448296 27-Mar-2020 17:50

Fred99:

They probably can't achieve herd immunity either. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that being infected provides long term immunity

Yes. Plus second waves of it, it could have mutated, and will they have immunity to that, no one knows..

I understand WHO have instructed countries have been instructed to get rid of it and not let it spread, and to do this, countries need to test test test. I don't think this seems to be getting through to some countries about the importance of widespread testing.

Apparently half of people tested don't show symptoms https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52015486 , so potentially we may have a lot of silent spreaders of it without knowing they even have it, esp within the essential worker area.

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#2448297 27-Mar-2020 17:52

DS248:
But not certain that the positive approval rating for Trump's handling of the crisis will hold up once it becomes clear that the US has performed worse than any other country? Time will tell on that.

Cognitive dissonance. Talked to a Fox-news-watching, conspiracy-theory-breathing Trump fan yesterday and they were almost hysterical in defending him. They'll find any reason other than Trump to blame for the disaster that the US is turning into. Probably immigrants/China/muslims if the existing pattern is anything to go by.

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#2448299 27-Mar-2020 17:58

mattwnz:

By saying people can go out to exercise, people are using this as a loophole to do all sorts of things. I have been watching a local subcontractor today driving to and from a new house he is getting built. But people have also also been going out playing cricket on the road, washing cars on the roadside etc. Have been many people cycling etc, someone did a 22km run in insta. I though it was supposed to be a short walk around the block and back inside. What part of stay at home are people having difficulty understanding?

If you have concerns call the authorities. If you have concerns and don't contact the authorities then you are part of the problem.

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#2448300 27-Mar-2020 17:59

Paul1977:

Fred99:

Yup - and there's no long-lasting vaccine for corona viruses in other species - such as the one that causes "viral bronchitis" in chickens. The vaccine doesn't last - and the disease itself causes long-lasting harm in that species, as does SARS in humans in some cases.

The "it's just the flu"denialists should be roasted, rendered, made into meal, and fed to the chickens.

I read that more closely related coronaviruses like SARS can only be contracted once (in most cases), and that COVID-19 doesn't mutate to the same degree as seasonal flu. If this is true then a single vaccine may work for many years.

It's not that the virus necessarily mutates to thwart our immune response - it's that our immune response probably isn't very long lasting. SARS was similar to this virus - and not so long after infection, a significant number of infected human patients test negative for antibodies.

It could be worse than that - but hey - I'm trying to be an optimist.

We need to find an effective treatment.

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#2448303 27-Mar-2020 18:00

neb: Probably immigrants/China/muslims if the existing pattern is anything to go by.

Wow, those poor Uyghurs in the USA - they're all of those!

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#2448304 27-Mar-2020 18:00

itxtme: Today buying a tiny broccoli head the size of my palm for $3.00 ($1.50) & a bag of spinach for $6.00 (normally $2) leaves me in no doubt that the supermarkets are not doing there bit.

Or the prices reflect the significant increase in cost in getting fresh food onto the shelves in a country where almost everything you need to do that is shut down.

Sheesh, people are dying by the thousands overseas and here we're complaining about the cost of fresh broccoli.

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#2448305 27-Mar-2020 18:01

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Handle9: That all sounds very nice and is fairly silly. It's of benefit to everyone for businesses that can continue to make reasonable profits to continue to do so. Profit allows them to pay their staff, pay their suppliers and moves money through the economy. This removes the burden from the taxpayer of paying their staff.

Supermarkets are going about their normal business in abnormal times. Profiteering is something else.

Sorry I should have said net profit, nobody is suggesting they should be making losses. The examples I have, and I did post but got no comment or response related to vegetables, with real world examples. The government has effectively removed competition within this market, and I believe that the supermarkets should move to reduce their net profit as the likes of market gardeners, butchers and other such examples have been closed.

Is $3.00 & $6.00 fair for something last week I paid $1.50 & $2.00 for respectively?

Why would we shutdown an functional part of the economy? Making a profit is not a crime and it is not immoral.

Fresh fruit and vegetable prices always go up and down based on supply and demand. If their supply chain is charging them more for goods it's reasonable they pass it on.

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#2448306 27-Mar-2020 18:02

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#2448316 27-Mar-2020 18:10

freitasm:
Interesting photos from around the world.

Note the donuts all over the mall parking lot in photo #5. Someone had fun for awhile :-).

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#2448318 27-Mar-2020 18:13

Handle9:

If their supply chain is charging them more for goods it's reasonable they pass it on.

Is that occurring? I would have thought there would be more supply for them, if all the supply chains from fruit and vege shops, has been distributed to the supermarkets? The consumer now have less stores to buy fresh fruit / veges. Some towns will now only have a single supermarket, whereas previously they may have had 3 or 4 different shops they could buy it from, and their prices are often cheaper too. So currently the market isn't working as it normally would due to the state of emergency, and the fruit and vege situation is a topic RNZ are currently covering.

Prior to this, people didn't appear to be hoarding fruit and veges, they appear to be hoarding things that don't spoil after a short period of time. Maybe people are now buying more fruit and veges?

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#2448319 27-Mar-2020 18:14

Is that NZ cases?

The age spread at a glance correlates with travel patterns (young 20-29 YO NZ folks do like to travel)

The gender difference (more or less none) probably blows the idea that there's an inherent gender difference, and maybe should make smokers skip a heart beat.

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#2448321 27-Mar-2020 18:17

Fred99:

Is that NZ cases?

The age spread at a glance correlates with travel patterns (young 20-29 YO NZ folks do like to travel)

The gender difference (more or less none) probably blows the idea that there's an inherent gender difference, and maybe should make smokers skip a heart beat.

There appears to be a big gender difference in deaths with the elderly . In the Italy is is apparently 70% males https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8135211/More-70-coronavirus-deaths-Italy-men.html .

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#2448324 27-Mar-2020 18:26

Does anyone know the total number of tests in NZ to date?

Was given yesterday (12,683) but cannot find the number for today on the MOH site.

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