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  #2417576 13-Feb-2020 18:57
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tdgeek:

 

I'll post tonight, comments from my wife, ex Wuhan, as they have frequent contact with rellies up there, and her and the mum in law (who now lives here but has the apartment still in Wuhan) are on a video right now. Just a small sample, but may be of interest.

 

 

As promised, here is an annecdotal account from my wife, who is Chinese and from Wuhan. Mum in law lives with us. They are a proud people, proud of their country, a lot like Americans. Wife is also, from the reforms and progress China has made, but she has been quite candid.

 

Contact via FaceTime with rellies has been frequent. She watches Coronavirus news a lot as do the people in China, this is on the Chinese chanels. Mum in law is, and some rellies are in south Wuhan, south of the river. The infection rate there is quite low. They are ruled to stay inside, no contact with anyone else. The feeling at least for this super small sample is that its not great, but they have to and want to do whats required. So its not seen as terrible or bad, but necessary. There are what wife called "naughty people" who go outside with no mask (breaks the rule) argue with Police. If they get detained they can be fined 500 Yuan, get 10 days in the clink, and serve one year in prison later. Food and provisions are provided at the door. No contact with others is allowed, including other apartment dwellers. So, they are stuck inside, they get food and water etc provided, which they pay for. Quarantine wise, thats a good result. yes, its a bugger being stuck inside, but they live in apartments anyway, so anecdotally, its not a huge deal, but not ideal. Clearly some see it as bad, which is fair enough. 

 

They are visiting every home, taking temp with the temp gun, asking how they feel. if not great, they are taken to huge stadiums and conference centres for quarantine and treatment. The worse area is Hankou, Wuhan means three cities, Hankou is one of them. The meat market that is seen as the start of the virus is there, about 1km from Hankou train station. Its bad there.

 

Travel is super cheap. While the Mum in law was ij south Wuhan, the home town (late fathers home town and burial place) is near the border with the Henan province. Its 1 hour via fast train at 160 Yuan. Or 50 Yuan for the regular train, 3 hours. So, if people wish to get out of Dodge its very quick and very cheap. Factor in panic and New Year, that hasn't helped.

 

A Governer or some form of leader in Hubei told them there are 108 million facemasks available. Then it was 1.8 million, then it was 186,000. Fired. Wife says many leaders will be removed with this sort of bad management. Which is in line with China's goals to succeed. Stop corruption etc.

 

This is one small sample from one place, it will vary. If the management is poor, no doubt the people will feel aggrieved. In other areas where its not as intense as Wuhan/Hubei, it would I assume be much more manageable.

 

What I take from this, is that its probably manageable by the people, after all, they seek help from the leader and want to comply, and they are cautious, so its less an issue to put up with stuff the perhaps we in NZ would want to. For the virus, thats a good thing, but how in heck do you manage 1,700,000,000 people with al the levels of management needed? And while they want to and are getting rid of corruption as best they can, its still a minefield or bad management here and there. If they were all rock solid that way, its still a logistical nightmare.

 

But, thats one sample of one area. What Im proud of is the wife who is super proud, is hitting hard at those management levels that are not performing. They all have to go, and from all accounts they will. SARS 2003 was a failure. This is bigger, and its been handled a lot better, but there is still failure at various levels, and Id hate to be a less than ideal part of that management structure. But I gather it will be less harsh than how they used to get rid of bad apples.

 

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  #2417580 13-Feb-2020 19:06
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WHO clarifies that the incubation period is unlikely up to 24 days, but rather remains at 14 days.

 

 





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  #2417583 13-Feb-2020 19:28
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What NZH Just dropped is interesting

 

It falls inline with the previous statements of china not wanting to release those confirmed but no showing symptoms.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12308462 

 

It would be rather interesting to get the core data of those in this boat (oops, notice pun after post - unintended) vs the chronic illness or death counts - Like, is there commonality other than age - previous jabs that may have boosted their system vs not in the last 40 years and therefore come down hard and so on.


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  #2417639 13-Feb-2020 20:42
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Common sense is not as common as you think.


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  #2418598 13-Feb-2020 21:18
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Hah, Seems my NZH article. Was flogged from them - same one

 

Really are just a metacrawler now aren't they.


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  #2418602 13-Feb-2020 21:45
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tdgeek:

 

tdgeek:

 

I'll post tonight, comments from my wife, ex Wuhan, as they have frequent contact with rellies up there, and her and the mum in law (who now lives here but has the apartment still in Wuhan) are on a video right now. Just a small sample, but may be of interest.

 

 

A Governer or some form of leader in Hubei told them there are 108 million facemasks available. Then it was 1.8 million, then it was 186,000. Fired. Wife says many leaders will be removed with this sort of bad management. Which is in line with China's goals to succeed. Stop corruption etc.

 

That's always 100% a facade.  It's a CCP thing to find and place blame.


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tdgeek:

 

tdgeek:

 

I'll post tonight, comments from my wife, ex Wuhan, as they have frequent contact with rellies up there, and her and the mum in law (who now lives here but has the apartment still in Wuhan) are on a video right now. Just a small sample, but may be of interest.

 

 

A Governer or some form of leader in Hubei told them there are 108 million facemasks available. Then it was 1.8 million, then it was 186,000. Fired. Wife says many leaders will be removed with this sort of bad management. Which is in line with China's goals to succeed. Stop corruption etc.

 

That's always 100% a facade.  It's a CCP thing to find and place blame.

 

 

Its a human thing. Read any article from Labour or National, or any political party, member or leader, or any human that has to solve a large problem that was not directly created by them. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2419669 14-Feb-2020 07:53
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Yeah I'm no fan of the CCP but even ignoring the dodgy numbers (no why!) I think they are doing the best job anyone could be expected to do. I think in many western counties you'd have to have bodies piling up in the streets before locking a whole city down was not considered political suicide. Maybe you wouldn't have the PM declaring there's X million masks but they would say something like "there's enough for everyone who needs one"





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  #2419674 14-Feb-2020 08:20
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  #2419681 14-Feb-2020 08:40
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Batman:

 

WHO clarifies that the incubation period is unlikely up to 24 days, but rather remains at 14 days.

 

 

That's a decision, and not really a clarification.

 

"Incubation period" is time from exposure to time of first developing symptoms.  The symptoms are variable and often (80%) mild or the disease is sometimes symptomless while infected.  There certainly have been reports of symptoms taking >20 days to appear after exposure, you could assume that in those cases they're not reported accurately because the patient was infected later than first thought, despite having evidence that they had exposed earlier and no evidence that they had any exposure later.
Reported median time to develop symptoms seems to be much lower - 3 days, so 24 days seems extreme.  If there are a very few cases of long incubation period vs very many near the median, a few outliers won't make much difference to overall containment - if that's what you think can be achieved.


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Beccara:

 

Yeah I'm no fan of the CCP but even ignoring the dodgy numbers (no why!) I think they are doing the best job anyone could be expected to do. I think in many western counties you'd have to have bodies piling up in the streets before locking a whole city down was not considered political suicide. Maybe you wouldn't have the PM declaring there's X million masks but they would say something like "there's enough for everyone who needs one"

 

 

There's always the North Korean method - as reported by South Korean Media - somewhat prone to sensationalise / make things up.

 

 

President Kim Jong-un ordered that he would rule by military law against any unauthorized departure from the designated area during the quarantine period. A trade official who was quarantined after traveling to China secretly visited a public bath earlier this month, was caught, arrested, and immediately shot.


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  #2420681 14-Feb-2020 09:07
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Well judging by the cars parked already this morning for the Chinese Consulate in Christchurch, thing are back to normal for 

 

people wanting travel visas!


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New SitRep out https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200213-sitrep-24-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=9a7406a4_2

 

 

 

Some good news:

 

"As of 10am CET 13 Feb 2020, a total of 170 cases of COVID-19 who had a travel history to China have been reported
outside of China. The vast majority of these (151, 89%) do not appear to lead to further transmission of the virus,
while the remaining 19 have been associated with onward transmission within 12 distinct groups of
epidemiologically linked cases"





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Beccara:

 

New SitRep out https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200213-sitrep-24-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=9a7406a4_2

 

 

 

Some good news:

 

"As of 10am CET 13 Feb 2020, a total of 170 cases of COVID-19 who had a travel history to China have been reported
outside of China. The vast majority of these (151, 89%) do not appear to lead to further transmission of the virus,
while the remaining 19 have been associated with onward transmission within 12 distinct groups of
epidemiologically linked cases"

 

 

...and a steady trickle of confirmed cases outside China that haven't (yet?) been able to be traced to possible source of infection.

 

I just can't help but be somewhat skeptical of WHO reporting.  Not that it's untrue, but that it's got a bit of spin to it.

 

 


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/119517245/coronavirus-could-infect-twothirds-of-globe-researcher-says

 

I dont follow this. He says 2/3 of the global population might get infected. Due to China's lack of containment, but also notes that the other countries are containing it very well.

 

NZ has no containment policy, we arent keeping it out, its largely free inwards transit. The UK super spreader, who was supposed to contain him? The countries he travelled through, but they didn't.

 

So, if everyone else is doing a good job containing it, what's the issue, how will that cause 2/3 of the globe to get infected?


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