vexxxboy:

 

yet Michael Osterholm says the surgical masks are a complete waste of time

 

 

1. Surgical masks help prevent transmission

2. N95 masks help prevent catching it

Listen to the podcast: I think he is trying to avoid people thinking that a surgical mask makes you bulletproof, or that being social is safe if you wear a mask. He also calls it that they are not available... I think that given that some full population sampling (Princess Cruise, and Vo) show 50% of people are presymptomatic or asymptomatic, we should ideally be wearing at least surgical masks (if they were available) to help those that don’t know they have Covid19 from spreading it. A 50% win sounds pretty good to me.

Note also in that same section he says washing hands is probably a waste of time - because transmission vector is respiratory (duhhh). Yet all our media and fear is concentrating hard on washing hands.

The transcript (poor voice recognition though): https://www.podgist.com/joe-rogan-experience/1439-michael-osterholm/index.html

Dial111: The US with close to 117k cases shot straight passed Italy is surely the epicentre now.

afe66: I wonder how many of the brave experts here would be prepared to volunteer at a rest home.

Personally I think your presumption is rude. My partner is a nurse: if she gets it, I get it. Doesn’t make me brave, but it does make me care a bit more than most (for us both) - which is why I have spent significant time studying the topic. I have been able to see second hand the developing response of the government, or it’s lack, via her.

Edit: We also have to least one doctor here, who is going to be front line if we get smashed.

afe66: I wonder how many of the brave experts here would be prepared to volunteer at a rest home.

You need qualified volunteers. There are many in this times applying to help - but it's only a help, when qualified ;-)

People are so focused on masks! Just keep your distance, the droplets are heavy & fall quickly.

I'm more worried about catching it off a surface. I haven't seen any reports or guesses to the percentage catching it from a surface verse droplets.

freitasm:

Meanwhile, in America, Trumpers and far-right wingnuts are running a campaign of disinformation targeting Dr Fauci.

 

vexxxboy:

 

yet Michael Osterholm says the surgical masks are a complete waste of time

 

 

Are you really taking medical advice from the Joe Rogan podcast? I would suggest in the strongest terms possible that you don't do that.

gchiu:

"Some of the keyboard warriors are currently unwilling to accept that China has to a large extent managed to stamp out COVID-19 and is opening up for business. My own Kiwi-China networks all confirm that China really is getting back to work, albeit not yet fully there."

MikeB4:

It is obvious that you didn't even read her post before pulling out your high horse to jump atop

Jase2985:

i suspect wearing to go grocery shopping wouldn't go down to well though.

kingdragonfly:

Azzura:

 

Coronavirus update 28th: 1 million infected in USA in 2 weeks! US possible projections 8k deaths per day 2 weeks from now.Here is the math..

The "Voice of Thunder" channel is a bit dubious, and he doesn't seem to be a doctor, and certainly not a infectious disease expert.

I'd take his commentary with a grain of salt.

lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Handle9:

It's happening in NZ as well. A landlord with a clue will be supporting their tenants as best they can, it's not like you'll be able to let it to anyone in this climate.

Azzura:

Coronavirus update 28th: 1 million infected in USA in 2 weeks! US possible projections 8k deaths per day 2 weeks from now.

From The Times

"Britain must remain in full lockdown until June if it is to avoid the worst effects of the coronavirus, the government’s leading epidemiology adviser warned last night.

As the virus claimed its 1,000th life in the UK — a doubling of the death toll in just three days — Professor Neil Ferguson said in an interview that the entire population could need to stay at home for nearly three months."

Let us hope that does not come to pass here because I fear for our collective sanity if it does, never mind our economy.

The amount of money and effort being expended on a vaccine for this thing should be as close to limitless as we can get. The cost to the world economy and to society worldwide if we cannot prevent recurrence means that a vaccine development effort should have as many billions and as many scientists as it needs. Without it, we will be in and out of lockdown forever unless we seal the border of NZ airtight and insist on 100% quarantine for all arrivals, even ourselves.