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#2449960 30-Mar-2020 11:36

Zepanda66:

And this is why the lock down will be longer than 4 weeks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12320744

NZ Case Rate by Age Groups

Unknown = 1%
0-9 = 1%
10 to 14 = 1%
15 to 19 = 5%
20 to 29 = 24%
30 to 39 = 15%
40 to 49 = 14%
50 to 59 = 18%
60 to 69 = 15%
70+ = 7%

Though people between 10 to 30 only have approx 0.2% death rate world wide, as you can see from the above figures those between 20 & 29 in NZ have the highest case rate. And this is the main group that is not obeying the lock down.

Just like teenagers they still think they are invincible and therefore behave selfishly not realising they can be asymptomatic and still be spreading this virus via face to face or face to surface and then surface to face. A lot of spliff smokers share the same roach, it gets handed around. They also share the same bottle of booze. This is all commune type behaviour.

Come Thursday I believe the authorities need to start handing out fines not just warnings. For our overseas guests these tickets should be linked with their exiting criteria through customs so they do not skip the country without paying. Then arriving home and telling a load of bull about what NZ is doing or not doing.

EDIT: Corrected bad formating

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2449962 30-Mar-2020 11:39

FineWine:

Zepanda66:

And this is why the lock down will be longer than 4 weeks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12320744

NZ Case Rate by Age Groups Unknown = 1% 0-9 = 1% 10 to 14 = 1% 15 to 19 = 5% 20 to 29 = 24% 30 to 39 = 15% 40 to 49 = 14% 50 to 59 = 18% 60 to 69 = 15% 70+ = 7% Though people between 10 to 30 only have approx 0.2% death rate world wide, as you can see from the above figures those between 20 & 29 in NZ have the highest case rate. And this is the main group that is not obeying the lock down. Just like teenagers they still think they are invincible and therefore behave selfishly not realising they can be asymptomatic and still be spreading this virus via face to face or face to surface and then surface to face. A lot of spliff smokers share the same roach, it gets handed around. They also share the same bottle of booze. This is all commune type behaviour. Come Thursday I believe the authorities need to start handing out fines not just warnings. For our overseas guests these tickets should be linked with their exiting criteria through customs so they do not skip the country without paying. Then arriving home and telling a load of bull about what NZ is doing or not doing.

Actually, I don't think that's correct. The reason that age group is over-represented is those are the ones most likely to have returned or be travelling in my opinion.

Also, the numbers related to the lockdown, won't be known for 10 days give or take.

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#2449963 30-Mar-2020 11:39

Not sure if anyone else has posted this, but it defies belief:

Belarus Premier League continues despite CV-19

Football is suspended in the UK and across most of world because of the coronavirus pandemic - but the game rolls on in Belarus.

The Belarusian Premier League rarely gets a mention in normal circumstances yet it is attracting attention from foreign fans as one of the few places around the globe - and the only place in Europe - where football is still being played.

On Saturday, there were six top-flight games in the eastern European country including the derby between FC Minsk and Dinamo Minsk watched by a capacity 3,000 crowd in Belarus' capital.

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#2449967 30-Mar-2020 11:49

Live interview with Trump in the Rose Garden going on now. (Edit:03/29 4:30 mountain)

He's flailing and admitted “we'll have 2.2 million deaths without mitigation” and said “now the number will be much lower number,” and “Hopefully it’s going to be the numbers that we're talking about.”

His expert took the dais and said “with heavy mitigation” – better than they're doing now – they can knock that back to maybe 200,000 deaths.

Trump said sadly “I wish we could have our old life back. We had the greatest economy that we’ve ever had and we didn’t have death”

He also suggested all the PPE they're supplying hospitals must be being sold on the black market “I think people should check that because there’s something going on. I don’t think it’s hoarding, I think it’s maybe worse than hoarding.”

I expect the stockmarkets will go into freefall tomorrow..

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#2449969 30-Mar-2020 11:54

frednz: Here's a couple of practical questions that a few elderly friends of mine are discussing.

Should elderly people leave home and go to the doctor's surgery for the purpose of getting a flu injection? I know this has been recommended, but if we are all self-isolating, I guess there's not much chance of catching the flu.

The overall message of stay home is being adhered to very strictly by all my elderly friends, so is it really worth the risk to venture out and get a flu injection?

Yes they definitely should get a flu injection.

They will have to ring up and make an appointment
When I had mine last week, the medical centre door was shut and they had two fully-PPE'ed people checking people in and out. They were making sure 2m distancing was being observed. Someone just ahead of me came more than 10 minutes before their appointment, they were asked to go and wait in their car and come back at their appointment time.
The waiting room that usually has about eight chairs had two, one each at diagonally-opposite corners: I was the only person.
I was called into the treatment room by a fully-PPE'ed nurse, who stabbed me very painlessly, then put me in a different waiting room for the 20-minute 'cooling off' period, on my own.
I could hear the previous patients, a married couple in their own 'bubble', talking in a different cooling off room.
We were shepherded out so that we were always 2m apart from each other and from anyone coming in.
It was as safe as it could possibly be.

The chances of me catching flu and becoming an extra load on the health / hospital system, have been significantly reduced.
The personal distancing by lockdown will also reduce flu transmission of course.

frednz: A similar question arises with regard to picking up prescriptions from the chemist. I know doctors will send prescription requests to pharmacies, but will all pharmacies courier prescriptions to elderly patients? Do you think elderly patients should avoid going out to pharmacies if at all possible?

It would be best if they could get someone younger to pick up and no-contact deliver their meds.

If that's not possible, they will find the pharmacy doing a strict one-customer-at-a-time process.
Not zero-risk, but pretty low

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#2449970 30-Mar-2020 11:54

robocat:

Sorry, mY last gasp: https://bgr.com/2020/03/26/coronavirus-symptoms-red-eyes/

”A nurse Chelsey Earnest of the Life Care Center told CNN at every patient she’s seen who tested positive for coronavirus had red eyes.”

Totally anecdotal, but worth noting, as it is something we can all easily identify, and not too much harm if wrong.

I expect that if it was true, probably a doctor or nurse in China, South Korea, or Italy would have noticed it by now.

At best, it is perhaps its a symptom of the strain that's prevalent in the USA.

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#2449972 30-Mar-2020 11:56

GP's are moving to E-Prescribe, which allows them to TEXT you a code you take to a Pharmacy. Not all GP's have it yet.

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#2449973 30-Mar-2020 11:58

networkn:

Actually, I don't think that's correct. The reason that age group is over-represented is those are the ones most likely to have returned or be travelling in my opinion.

Also, the numbers related to the lockdown, won't be known for 10 days give or take.

The point is testing proves they have the virus, knowingly or unknowingly and they are still congregating together

Jump on them and hard❗️

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2449975 30-Mar-2020 11:59

FineWine:

networkn:

Actually, I don't think that's correct. The reason that age group is over-represented is those are the ones most likely to have returned or be travelling in my opinion.

Also, the numbers related to the lockdown, won't be known for 10 days give or take.

The point is testing proves they have the virus, knowingly or unknowingly and they are still congregating together

Jump on them and hard❗️

No, it doesn't. It MAY indicate that or not.

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#2449981 30-Mar-2020 12:02

Sidestep:

Live interview with Trump in the Rose Garden going on now. (Edit:03/29 4:30 mountain)

He's flailing and admitted “we'll have 2.2 million deaths without mitigation” and said “now the number will be much lower number,” and “Hopefully it’s going to be the numbers that were talking about.”

His expert took the dais and said “with heavy mitigation” – better than they're doing now – they can knock that back to maybe 200,000 deaths.

Trump said sadly “I wish we could have our old life back. We had the greatest economy that we’ve ever had and we didn’t have death”

He also suggested all the PPE they're supplying hospitals must be being sold on the black market “I think people should check that because there’s something going on. I don’t think it’s hoarding, I think it’s maybe worse than hoarding.”

I expect the stockmarkets will go into freefall tomorrow..

Watching the WH Coronavirus Update live on CBS News. Talking about TV ratings on his updates, how the media is failing.

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#2449984 30-Mar-2020 12:08

frednz:

Should elderly people leave home and go to the doctor's surgery for the purpose of getting a flu injection? I know this has been recommended, but if we are all self-isolating, I guess there's not much chance of catching the flu.

That's a really curly problem. The lockdown should greatly reduce the risk of contracting the flu - the extra travel/contact (many people going to a clinic every day) to get flu shots probably increases the risk of covid spread. But by how much risk/risk reduction for either? Nobody probably knows.

I hope they're thinking this one through - thoroughly.

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#2449987 30-Mar-2020 12:21

frankv:

robocat:

Sorry, mY last gasp: https://bgr.com/2020/03/26/coronavirus-symptoms-red-eyes/

”A nurse Chelsey Earnest of the Life Care Center told CNN at every patient she’s seen who tested positive for coronavirus had red eyes.”

Totally anecdotal, but worth noting, as it is something we can all easily identify, and not too much harm if wrong.

I expect that if it was true, probably a doctor or nurse in China, South Korea, or Italy would have noticed it by now.

At best, it is perhaps its a symptom of the strain that's prevalent in the USA.

Maybe in states where they've legalised weed.

Unless there's something I missed, the changes in genetics/mutation of the virus to new "strains" (shouldn't be called that IMO) aren't functional ( They don't change how the virus behaves. They're useful for retrospective analysis of epidemiology) Some chinese scientists had a non peer-reviewed paper circulated suggesting that there were two strains. It failed peer review - was written by economists or statisticians - not virologists etc. The interweb is full of bullsh*t on C-19 - some well-intentioned, some not.

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#2449988 30-Mar-2020 12:25

The company behind the Queenstown conference that is now a cluster of cases has closed down. The news here is really the bad decision from health officials who deemed the cattle conference in Queenstown "low risk" and allowed people to tour around New Zealand:

Days after that event, which they ran on behalf of NZ Herefords, they heard an Australian man who had returned home had tested positive for Covid-19.

The Hereford cluster was now linked to 17 confirmed cases around New Zealand, with more expected.

Emails supplied to Stuff showed health officials deemed the initial case as low risk, and a tour was told to go ahead.

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#2449989 30-Mar-2020 12:27

This might be a significant longer term issue - the newly jobless NZers in Australia with little support over there. Depending on the numbers returning could be a significant increase in population?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/no-safety-net-and-now-no-jobs-for-many-new-zealanders-who-call-australia-home

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#2449991 30-Mar-2020 12:28

Re. the flu jabs thread. Doctors and nurses at the clinics are the experts, I am sure they will have a very good procedure in place. If people are too scared to go and get a jab they probably should not visit a petrol station or a supermarket.

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