2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2450101 30-Mar-2020 15:16

Spare a thought for the many van-packers who are spending the next 4 weeks in a vehicle never designed for camping in.

I guess those that have the self-contained sticker, but aren't really self-contained, will soon be regretting it!

Mike

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#2450102 30-Mar-2020 15:17

Geektastic:

There is a NZ product called ZOONO that is very good. It forms a barrier on the skin that lasts all day (allegedly). It's expensive but my wife was able to order it a few days ago.

@Geektastic Did you receive this product? We ordered some on March 07, but still hasn't been shipped/delivered. Get autoresponse when sending them an email, stating they extremely busy and they still catching up on orders.

They finally shut down their webshop last week, and put up a message saying they still catching up on orders and everybody should have orders within 2 weeks. I'm taking that with a grain of salt at the moment as they haven't been able to dispatch product ordered more than 3 weeks ago, so can only imagine the volume of orders they've received since then. Oh and they did charge my credit card on the same day as my order was placed.

I also noticed this article last week about them striking a $20m distribution deal with the Middle East and North Africa. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120571748/zoono-sanitiser-strikes-multimilliondollar-deal

Realise that this deal has probably been worked on for months, but still doesn't look good when you have a backlog of customers waiting for their orders.

My rant over.

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#2450118 30-Mar-2020 15:35

kiwiharry:

Geektastic:

There is a NZ product called ZOONO that is very good. It forms a barrier on the skin that lasts all day (allegedly). It's expensive but my wife was able to order it a few days ago.

@Geektastic Did you receive this product? We ordered some on March 07, but still hasn't been shipped/delivered. Get autoresponse when sending them an email, stating they extremely busy and they still catching up on orders.

They finally shut down their webshop last week, and put up a message saying they still catching up on orders and everybody should have orders within 2 weeks. I'm taking that with a grain of salt at the moment as they haven't been able to dispatch product ordered more than 3 weeks ago, so can only imagine the volume of orders they've received since then. Oh and they did charge my credit card on the same day as my order was placed.

I also noticed this article last week about them striking a $20m distribution deal with the Middle East and North Africa. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120571748/zoono-sanitiser-strikes-multimilliondollar-deal

Realise that this deal has probably been worked on for months, but still doesn't look good when you have a backlog of customers waiting for their orders.

My rant over.

Yes, we did. A few days prior to the lockdown.

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#2450119 30-Mar-2020 15:40

Day 5 of the lockdown. Is there anyone like me who is a bit optimistic about the lack of increases in daily cases. Another 10 days to hopefully washout pre-lockdown contact but the I must admit to being surprised we haven't escalated away.

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#2450132 30-Mar-2020 15:51

cshwone:

Day 5 of the lockdown. Is there anyone like me who is a bit optimistic about the lack of increases in daily cases. Another 10 days to hopefully washout pre-lockdown contact but the I must admit to being surprised we haven't escalated away.

You have to remember that todays numbers are 1-2 weeks old, in terms of how many people are actually infacted with the virus. So they don't give a full impression of how many people have actually been infected as of today. The current numbers are only for those people now showing symptoms, or have been tested, so don't include all the people infected, because of the long incubation period. Most of these are also still travelers into NZ, and only about 10 CT cases so far, and the number of people coming into NZ I understand has dropped significantly over the last week

They were saying to expect the numbers to go into the thousands, which should largely be the numbers infected prior to going into lockdown, if everyone is actually physically isolating properly. IMO as I mentioned previously, I do wonder if showing the modeling per day of how many people they think could be infected, wouldn't be a bad idea. I do understand they are expected to release more details on the modeling in the coming days.

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#2450133 30-Mar-2020 15:52

kiwiharry: @Geektastic Did you receive the ZOONO product? We ordered some on March 07, but still hasn't been shipped/delivered.

I put in a complaint to the Commerce Commission regarding their exaggerated, and unsubstantiated claims.

Nothing protects "up to 24 hours". Also the chemicals they use are irritants, despite their claims.

I see they modified their web pages to water down their claims a little, but still exaggerated.

I read the owner got very rich, in the millions, from this outbreak.

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#2450137 30-Mar-2020 16:05

PM's press conference is here https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/412949/live-jacinda-ardern-with-the-latest-covid-19-update

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#2450144 30-Mar-2020 16:08

cshwone:

Day 5 of the lockdown. Is there anyone like me who is a bit optimistic about the lack of increases in daily cases. Another 10 days to hopefully washout pre-lockdown contact but the I must admit to being surprised we haven't escalated away.

We have only done 12,000 tests. The lack of testing in NZ is a big area of concern for me.

kingdragonfly

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#2450147 30-Mar-2020 16:13

Newsroom.co.nz: Covid-19 in NZ - Monday’s numbers charted

How is Covid-19 spreading within the country? Newsroom is collating information as it's available to paint a picture of what's happening.

Total cases 589
New cases 76
Recovered 63
In hospital 12
ICU 2
Death 1

There were 76 new cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand, up from the previous day's 63 new cases.

Details of how many tests have been completed are now being released as an average over the previous seven days. Today's average was 1,788 tests per day.

kiwiharry

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#2450162 30-Mar-2020 16:33

@Geektastic Glad to hear you did get your Zoono order.

Looks like I may need to request a chargeback from my credit card company.

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#2450164 30-Mar-2020 16:41

kingdragonfly: Let me summarize the Trump administration/right-wing media view on the coronavirus: It’s a hoax, or anyway no big deal. Besides, trying to do anything about it would destroy the economy. And it’s China’s fault, which is why we should call it the “Chinese virus.”

Oh, and epidemiologists who have been modeling the virus’s future spread have come under sustained attack, accused of being part of a “deep state” plot against Donald Trump, or maybe free markets.

It's a specific instance of the conman's playbook, they have to get you to accept their reality, if you don't they ignore you and look for easier prey, and if they can't ignore you they pronounce it a conspiracy, politically motivated, someone else's fault, whatever. Most of the time they're not forced to face hard reality and so only need to apply steps 1 and 2. There's a really good book on this, written long before Trump gained any prominence, I'd dig up the reference but all the libraries are closed anyway...

jfanning

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#2450165 30-Mar-2020 16:42

iamaelephant:

Police have received >4,000 reports of rule-breakers and only arrested 3, and let 2 go without charge (other one had a pre-existing warrant). So effectively in NZ there's no downside to flouting the rules (if you're selfish and don't care about the disease itself). This is very disappointing - we are all aware that there are many instances of rule-breaking, and this will only continue if violators aren't made an example of.

You make the assumption that the activity being reporting is actually illegal currently, and not just the belief of the person reporting it

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#2450166 30-Mar-2020 16:44

eracode:
Australia is a good example of how to cock up a lockdown response to the crisis - not helped by their very inefficient federal/state government setup.

From a friend in the US:

The XXX Chamber of Commerce has openly declared that local shops should remain open so that don't lose the 'tourist business'

It's like they want people to tie.

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#2450167 30-Mar-2020 16:54

iamaelephant:

Police have received >4,000 reports of rule-breakers and only arrested 3, and let 2 go without charge (other one had a pre-existing warrant). So effectively in NZ there's no downside to flouting the rules (if you're selfish and don't care about the disease itself). This is very disappointing - we are all aware that there are many instances of rule-breaking, and this will only continue if violators aren't made an example of.

Its been clearly said they will go with advice and educating people. You can be sure if no change, they will hit hard.

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#2450169 30-Mar-2020 16:58

jfanning:

iamaelephant: Police have received >4,000 reports of rule-breakers and only arrested 3, and let 2 go without charge (other one had a pre-existing warrant). So effectively in NZ there's no downside to flouting the rules (if you're selfish and don't care about the disease itself). This is very disappointing - we are all aware that there are many instances of rule-breaking, and this will only continue if violators aren't made an example of.

You make the assumption that the activity being reporting is actually illegal currently, and not just the belief of the person reporting it

Also ignored is the statement that over 1000 reports related to businesses being opening (these aren't necessarily 1000+ individual businesses) and that a significant portion of the other reports were somewhat vague and therefore couldn't be acted on, i.e. "Joe Bloggs is at the beach".

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