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  #2453402 2-Apr-2020 22:58
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iamaelephant: Sorry what point are you guys trying to make by arguing the semantics of the term leader? Can we keep it on topic - the minister of health, someone quite influential during a health crisis, is breaking his own government's guidelines while we all suffer in isolation. If you don't have anything to add to the conversation feel free to stay out of it completely.

 

Here's a suggestion (and this is coming from someone who agrees with the substance of your point): instead of regularly posting one-liners or posts of a similar length that are nothing more than "Shut up and go away!" or "Do as you're told!" in substance or minor variants thereof, try to contribute some substantive content/thoughts every once in a while or, heavens forbid, just letting some posts go and don't call out everything by every poster. Your incessant shouting really is not helping with any kind of positive reinforcement of the necessary messages.

 

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  #2453403 2-Apr-2020 22:59
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Paul1977: A 4-6 week lock down is a major inconvenience for most, and an employment ending issue for many. But I think most are in agreement that it needs to be done. 

 

But what happens if it doesn't work, or it appears to work and then we get another huge spike a couple of weeks after the lockdown is lifted? So we have another lockdown. Rinse and repeat.

 

Given that so many people seem to be completely incapable of grasping the nature of the situation and treating this whole thing like a holiday, I'm quite confident lockdown will be going on a fair while longer than the 4 weeks initially proposed.

 

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  #2453405 2-Apr-2020 23:01
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kingdragonfly:

Here's the question nobody is asking: "what about Turkmenistan?"

 

The static electricity their hats generate produces an ozone shield around them. They'll be just fine!


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  #2453413 2-Apr-2020 23:45
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Cross-posted from the analysis thread since there seems to be some interest:

 

 

Graphs of mortality rates created by a friend in Austria from the JHU data at https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19, first a long-term one and then a shorter-term magnification of the right-hand side of the first one.

 

 

 

 


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  #2453421 3-Apr-2020 00:18
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Technofreak:

 

iamaelephant:

 

Not just the youngs letting us down. It's our leadership too.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120780372/health-minister-drives-to-local-park-to-ride-his-mountain-bike-amid-coronavirus-lockdown  

Health Minister drives to local park to ride his mountain bike, amid coronavirus lockdown

 

 

Not only was he a dick for doing this it was a dumb. I mean parking a sign written van at a place like that for all to see!!!! Talk about drawing attention. The Minister of Health of all people. Do as I say not do as I do. Comes back to leading by example, but then again is he a leader or just a figurehead?

 

 

He might be within the letter of the advice given about being able to drive to your nearest park (was this the nearest park?) but he's still being a dick. As many people have pointed out in this thread, it's not a game to see how much you can get away with. He could probably ride his bike on the (now empty) roads close to his home to keep fit and no one would complain if he keeps 2m from other riders.

 

The police are trying to convince people to stop their water skiing, boating and games of frisbee, and having the Minister of Health doing this isn't helping much.





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  #2453422 3-Apr-2020 00:38
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This is a good TED talk video about Pandemics, and also talks about the other problem humans face, which is a big one which this maybe a wakeup call for. That is antibiotics and how they are becoming less effective, and at some stage the may not work, due to our overuse of antibiotics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQuaDKV3xk 


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  #2453424 3-Apr-2020 05:48
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tdgeek:

 

USA is screwed. The lads and I were planning another road trip, we have each been there, lets have a boys trip this time. But forget it. 2022 maybe at best. Denial, then all of a sudden it's bad. It seems a very short time ago, a case was found in Washington state, a small town, No idea how. And same 50 miles away, no idea how. That seems just a few short weeks ago, now look at it. Its the worst case of negligence I can think of. And I love the place, spent a lot of time there, its screwed.

 

 

Go ahead. Plan your next road trip. The US isn't screwed. It will come out of this the same as always - only more so.

Sure there'll be great loss of life, but the majority of the US population won't die, and that those who do will be predominantly elderly, poor and sick – the "economically worthless". The pain and loss will fall squarely on the shoulders of the tired, the poor, the huddled masses - those worst affected by the lack of universal welfare and health provisions.

That seems fine to the part of the population who either see themselves as unlikely to contract it or - with the best of healthcare - likely to suffer only minor illness. 

And some, the titans of industry, those already incredibly wealthy, are rubbing their hands together in glee.

This unprecedented multi-trillion dollar release of Capital and Liquidity to the markets is a godsend to them. They've positioned themselves to hoover it up.
Snapping up distressed companies, only to have them bailed out by the taxpayer, shorting the markets on the way down, going long as they rise.. leasing fleets of Very Large Crude Carriers, to fill with oil - valueless now, but worth a fortune in a few months. For the Koch Brothers, and others, it's a candyland of opportunity.

And as the background operators of Trump's giant spin machine, they'll slowly turn black into white, night into day.

Americans will come out of this thankful for Trump's leadership, his unwavering stand against the 'Chinese Virus' and his administration's valiant efforts to reduce the death toll from 'millions' to hundreds of thousands' or less.

As this began, and I saw the US administration's disregard of reality, I felt fleeting Schadenfreude at what I thought would be Trump's misfortune. 
Then it became clear how this'll play out, so many people will loose their lives, their family members, friends and neighbours, so many will be financially devastated and never recover.

I had a fleeting hope this might be what it would take for the people to rise up and burn it all down, press the reset button, vote for someone like Bernie Sanders, demand fair governance, universal healthcare and end to the US's tremendous economic inequality and Crony capitalism - but it won't happen. There'll be no revolution.

When you go on your road trip it'll look just the same as always.
Airline flights and hotels might be cheaper. There'll be longer lines at the food banks in cities.



 
 
 
 


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  #2453470 3-Apr-2020 06:36
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Sidestep:

 

 

 

Go ahead. Plan your next road trip. The US isn't screwed. It will come out of this the same as always - only more so.

 

What I was thinking is that the virus will keep appearing in outbreaks for a long while there. Its over in the US but an outbreak here, an outbreak there


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  #2453471 3-Apr-2020 06:55
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tdgeek:

 

What I was thinking is that the virus will keep appearing in outbreaks for a long while there. Its over in the US but an outbreak here, an outbreak there

 

 

Well within a year there'll be vaccine(s) and effective treatments. First world countries will be back at work.

Tourism and air travel in developed countries will see massive stimulation, competition for dollars, cheaper fuel costs – lower fares.

I expect in 'developing' nations there'll still be ongoing, rolling waves of infection, economic hardship.


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  #2453476 3-Apr-2020 07:38
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An unfortunate milestone reached this morning with Worldometer now cataloguing over 1 million cases worldwide




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  #2453478 3-Apr-2020 08:01
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cshwone:

 

An unfortunate milestone reached this morning with Worldometer now cataloguing over 1 million cases worldwide

 

 

unfortunately that milestone was crossed prior as from my reading many developing countries do not have capacity to perform the $220 a pop test, and china not counting asymptomatic cases etc 





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For those "young" people (under 40s) who think this is a question of "I am not going to do my part because someone else older than me is dying": A healthy 39-year-old DJ died of coronavirus. What his young widow and daughter want you to know.

 

 

Three weeks ago, Conrad Buchanan was a healthy, vivacious Florida DJ who loved dancing with his daughter. But on March 14, the 39-year-old started feeling sick. His wife Nicole tried to get him tested for coronavirus, but was denied. "We couldn't get him tested. I fought and fought and fought," she said.

 

"They didn't want to test him due to his age and (because) he had no underlying health issues."

 

By March 22, Conrad's condition had deteriorated so badly that Nicole drove him to the hospital. The young father was intubated immediately after he was dropped off.

 

Nicole went to park the car. She never saw her husband again. "I walked up to the doors. The hospital's on lockdown. They wouldn't let anybody in after that," she said. "I never got to say, 'I love you.'"

 





 

 

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  #2453483 3-Apr-2020 08:08
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social media tips sent out in school newsletter as official advice

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322099





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  #2453486 3-Apr-2020 08:11
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Batman:

 

social media tips sent out in school newsletter as official advice

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322099

 

 

Anyone distributing "helpful tips" that is not sourced from official agencies is placing other people's lives in danger.

 

Simple as that.





 

 

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  #2453489 3-Apr-2020 08:16
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freitasm:

 

For those "young" people (under 40s) who think this is a question of "I am not going to do my part because someone else older than me is dying": A healthy 39-year-old DJ died of coronavirus. What his young widow and daughter want you to know.

 



And in Canada Adults under the age of 40 account for 10 per cent of hospital admissions related to coronavirus, including this 34 year old youth worker, father of three and husband.

He joked earlier this month about how the novel coronavirus would spark a baby boom. Four days later, he was diagnosed with COVID-19, and 14 days after that, he was dead.


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