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  #2456083 6-Apr-2020 17:17
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@tripp:

 

So that guy that did the video of coughing on people in the supermarket.....

 

 

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  #2456084 6-Apr-2020 17:19
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@k14:

 

To me it sounds like all these armchair critics are making their own interpretations of the rules and forcing these on others (I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority have never been near a mountain bike in their life). I will continue to ride my mountain bike on the local trails and abide by the guidance without breaking any rules (stay local, keep your distance). If the government changes the guidance then i will alter my behaviour accordingly. At this stage there is absolutely no need to ban specific activities like mountain biking.

 

 

To me it sounds like you are not thinking clearly. So at this stage I am blocking you from posting in the Health sub-forum, like some other people who can't think past themselves.





 

 

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  #2456086 6-Apr-2020 17:22
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Again, for those of you that think it's cute to try and find a loophole that let you do things that may endanger the lives of others while the rest of the country is trying to prevent a bigger catastrophe: don't be a dick. It's against the FUG and you are lucky I have only blocked you from posting in the Health sub-forum instead of outright banning.  





 

 

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  #2456093 6-Apr-2020 17:31
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frankv:

I agree. We should also consider the damage that would be done if he was removed... current projects and plans would get delayed or even derailed totally.


 



And also there are so many potential replacement candidates ???? Or not.

I find it funny in a strange way how ministers with minimal experience in their portfolio's tell people who have worked in an industry for decades what to do.

I wonder if they ever have thoughts of "Yes what ever in 12 months someone else will be doing your job"

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  #2456095 6-Apr-2020 17:32
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freitasm:

 

@k14:

 

To me it sounds like all these armchair critics are making their own interpretations of the rules and forcing these on others (I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority have never been near a mountain bike in their life). I will continue to ride my mountain bike on the local trails and abide by the guidance without breaking any rules (stay local, keep your distance). If the government changes the guidance then i will alter my behaviour accordingly. At this stage there is absolutely no need to ban specific activities like mountain biking.

 

 

To me it sounds like you are not thinking clearly. So at this stage I am blocking you from posting in the Health sub-forum, like some other people who can't think past themselves.

 

 

And that is the problem right there.  I have a few things i like to do (riding the motorbike, fishing etc) never had any mishaps doing these, however we are in lock down, if something happens then "others" may need to break their bubbles to come help out.  This bubble breaking for others is the bottom line of this lock down, don't do anything that someone might have to break their bubble to come help you with.  Just this weekend search and rescue had to go out and find someone that went for a walk in the bush (which we have been told not to do) and these people had to break their bubbles to go looking for this person, now this impacts the person and whoever is in their bubble.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2456096 6-Apr-2020 17:33
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@tripp:

 

So that guy that did the video of coughing on people in the supermarket.....

 

 

Here is what you need to know about this person.

 

 

He was sentenced to two years and three months for the bomb "prank."

 

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  #2456097 6-Apr-2020 17:35
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DarthKermit:

 

He was sentenced to two years and three months for the bomb "prank."

 

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Obviously Raymond Gary Coombs is an idiot.





 

 

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  #2456101 6-Apr-2020 17:39
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Another thing to consider is that if you breathe in a small number of particles your immune system should take care of it, you need to take in more than some minimum amount for it to affect you, however we have no data on what this is and measuring it in practice isn't possible unless you want to revive Unit 731 or similar.


My understanding is that the immune system works in the bloodstream. So it's not until the virus has arrived in the lungs and I guess begun replicating and destroying cells that the immune system would even become aware of it. In which case a single virus in the lungs is all that's needed... it very quickly becomes hundreds, I guess. But presumably other defences like the mucus in the nose and throat would prevent most viruses from getting into the lungs in the first place.

But I'm quite ignorant about the immune system, so would welcome correction from someone knowledgeable.

No the immune system doesn't 'only work in the blood stream', 
its way more complicated than that, (too complicated for me to explain here at the moment)


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  #2456105 6-Apr-2020 17:41
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freitasm:

 

To me it sounds like you are not thinking clearly. So at this stage I am blocking you from posting in the Health sub-forum, like some other people who can't think past themselves.

 

 

Thank you!





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  #2456107 6-Apr-2020 17:48
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freitasm:

 

Again, for those of you that think it's cute to try and find a loophole that let you do things that may endanger the lives of others while the rest of the country is trying to prevent a bigger catastrophe: don't be a dick. It's against the FUG and you are lucky I have only blocked you from posting in the Health sub-forum instead of outright banning.  

 

 

 

 

I just can't understand what part of 'stay at home' some people still don't understand. This is a national emergency, it is not a time to find loopholes. The more people that push the boundaries or flout the lockdown, the longer we may stay in lockdown

 

We also don't want to get into the situation like may occur in the UK, where we they are restricted  or banned from going out to exercise, because some people are pushing the limits. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1265222/Outdoor-exercise-Government-guidelines-on-exercise-UK-Lockdown-exercise-rules-ban Other countries have already banned outdoor exercise.

 

It is often a few people that ruin it for everyone. Cycling should be around the local area, as they have stated, and be  low risk.  One has to ask themselves that if they fall off a bike,  will other people be able to find them, and will it mean that those other people risk breaking their bubble and their families bubble to help find  you and if you need medical help. 


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  #2456108 6-Apr-2020 17:49
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And that is the problem right there.  I have a few things i like to do (riding the motorbike, fishing etc) never had any mishaps doing these, however we are in lock down, if something happens then "others" may need to break their bubbles to come help out.  This bubble breaking for others is the bottom line of this lock down, don't do anything that someone might have to break their bubble to come help you with.  Just this weekend search and rescue had to go out and find someone that went for a walk in the bush (which we have been told not to do) and these people had to break their bubbles to go looking for this person, now this impacts the person and whoever is in their bubble.

 

 

I would just add that what people like this don't get is that it's not about how good they are, It's about people making exceptions for themselves. Everyone thinks they are good until they are not. The purpose of the rules is to stop people making exceptions for themselves. No doubt some really are that good and would never get hurt, but they set a terrible example for those who are not. The only way to be sure no-one exceeds their abilities is to set a rule that prohibits everyone from trying. It is not about the egoist with superior skills. It is about setting a standard that protects everyone else.

 

 





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  #2456115 6-Apr-2020 17:53
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Rikkitic:

 

tripp:

 

And that is the problem right there.  I have a few things i like to do (riding the motorbike, fishing etc) never had any mishaps doing these, however we are in lock down, if something happens then "others" may need to break their bubbles to come help out.  This bubble breaking for others is the bottom line of this lock down, don't do anything that someone might have to break their bubble to come help you with.  Just this weekend search and rescue had to go out and find someone that went for a walk in the bush (which we have been told not to do) and these people had to break their bubbles to go looking for this person, now this impacts the person and whoever is in their bubble.

 

 

I would just add that what people like this don't get is that it's not about how good they are, It's about people making exceptions for themselves. Everyone thinks they are good until they are not. The purpose of the rules is to stop people making exceptions for themselves. No doubt some really are that good and would never get hurt, but they set a terrible example for those who are not. The only way to be sure no-one exceeds their abilities is to set a rule that prohibits everyone from trying. It is not about the egoist with superior skills. It is about setting a standard that protects everyone else.

 

 

 

 

 

Flatmate and I are just talking about this, we both agreed that the mountain biker from this weekends "issue" would not have planned to break his leg when out for a quick ride.  So I totally agree with your statement.  If you are planning anything like this you need to plan on the worst happening and how it impacts on others.  All you need is someone else hitting you or an animal or a log (that was not here last time) to be on the track and you could end up needing help. 


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afe66:I find it funny in a strange way how ministers with minimal experience in their portfolio's tell people who have worked in an industry for decades what to do.

I wonder if they ever have thoughts of "Yes what ever in 12 months someone else will be doing your job"


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  #2456120 6-Apr-2020 18:06
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I'm really disappointed at the daily numbers we're still seeing. Per head of population we're not doing that well at all considering we're in lock-down.

 

Australia has 5 times our population for instance, their lock-down has come on very gradually & been all over the place, & yet their per head figures are comparable, although their deaths are higher.

 

I believe Oz is testing at a fairly high rate as well (one of the highest if you can believe their PM) so we can't just say we're finding more.

 

 

 

 

What rate is Oz testing at?

 

You just need to see the Oz death rate, and IMO it shows that their confirmed cases vs how many people actually have it, seem very low. This may indicate that a lot of people have it in Oz, but have not been tested yet.

 

Yes NZs confirmed cases per population is similar to what Oz is. But our death rate is significantly lower, even taking into consideration those in serious condition. I believe this was also discussed at the daily briefing in the weekend, that we are picking up a higher percentage of cases than other countries, which s why our death-rate is so low.Otherwise we would see more serious cases presenting to the hospital.


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  #2456122 6-Apr-2020 18:13
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neb:
Another thing to consider is that if you breathe in a small number of particles your immune system should take care of it, you need to take in more than some minimum amount for it to affect you, however we have no data on what this is and measuring it in practice isn't possible unless you want to revive Unit 731 or similar.


My understanding is that the immune system works in the bloodstream. So it's not until the virus has arrived in the lungs and I guess begun replicating and destroying cells that the immune system would even become aware of it. In which case a single virus in the lungs is all that's needed... it very quickly becomes hundreds, I guess. But presumably other defences like the mucus in the nose and throat would prevent most viruses from getting into the lungs in the first place.

But I'm quite ignorant about the immune system, so would welcome correction from someone knowledgeable.

 

I'm not sure - and make no claim to be knowledgeable. 

 

I suspect that with "viral load" for initial infection that a problem is if you inhale a big dose (# of virions) in one hit, then it's more likely that multiple sites (cells and/or location) will be infected, so with exponential growth in virus numbers, a starting point of a millions of your cells infected vs say hundreds, then the virus gets a bigger jump on your immune response. This - combined with the "over-reaction" of the immune system when there's a sudden large scale assault may explain why health workers seem to be at extra risk - of ARS / cytokine storm.  A lot of young fit Drs and nurses have died.  This one added reason why if there's a shortage of PPE so that rationing is needed, then it must go to those workers first.


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