Yikes - that's not good.
Pre-print paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v1
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mentalinc:frankv:No! That's the whole point of our welfare system. NO-ONE starves.
I'm not sure the system has been setup for business owners to pay all their other business expenses (it all seems to be focused on employee payments). and loans from banks.. the loans from banks are not free...
frankv:
Worst case, close the business. No expenses, no loan. Still no one starves.
Am I wrong in understanding that banks are allowing people to pay only interest, not principal? Does that not apply to businesses?
"Close the business" = no expenses? Do you mean liquidate the business or just put it to sleep? You do understand businesses have commitments like leases that go on even if you can't open the doors? Creditors to pay? GST, PAYE, etc. These don't just go away because you can't open the doors.
"Just closing" a business isn't that straight-forward if you've used your family home as security for a business loans.
As for the business loan products, my experience atm is that these are a work-in-progress - the Government has told the banks how it should work but the banks have to come up with a brand new product which isn't easy.
Not trying to start a religious war, just curious about different faiths' approaches to the current situation, and whether there are regional variations, e.g. I know a number of people here who have attended Zoom-based church gatherings with no need for physical contact. Not sure how communion works with that, meaning what provision there is for doing it when there's no contact possible.
GV27:frankv:
Worst case, close the business. No expenses, no loan. Still no one starves.
Am I wrong in understanding that banks are allowing people to pay only interest, not principal? Does that not apply to businesses?"Close the business" = no expenses? Do you mean liquidate the business or just put it to sleep? You do understand businesses have commitments like leases that go on even if you can't open the doors? Creditors to pay? GST, PAYE, etc. These don't just go away because you can't open the doors.
"Just closing" a business isn't that straight-forward if you've used your family home as security for a business loans.
neb: Just saw a comment from a doctor that they're being absolutely killed by cellphone charges because (almost) all their work is now being done by cellphone rather than in person, and they're asking people to deal with them on land lines if possible. If there's anyone from Vodafone/Spark reading this, perhaps you guys could waive celphone charges over some base amount for medical clinics/GPs/nurses for a couple of months...
I'm wondering if the data thread can model when we can expect this thread to reach 500 pages?
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Early isolation, like Taiwan would have bought more space.
But...
I remember the parade of industry leaders , personalities and such lobbying government to stay any action.
We had Heraford Conference, Cruise liners , all manner of other things, and a raft of New Zealanders returning to normal lives directly from their overseas trips.
Thank goodness we discouraged overseas students.
Imagine having to provide pastoral care , compensation etc for 10's of thousands .
What is done is done , that is the unchangeable past.
Thus the choice we necessarily made for a strict lock-down while we could, to protect our Healthcare so they could protect us.
Meanwhile in Taiwan near the forefront of this outbreak , the tally is 373 cases !.
Children go to school, public transport runs , the worlds largest semiconductor foundry keeps running along with other businesses, people can travel though all masked up.
With memory of lessons from SARS, Bird Flu and Swine Flu.
Taiwan went very early on screening flights when WHO guidance was uncertain, 31st Dec.
Making understanding this new threat a priority , building testing capability and expanding PPE manufaturing.
Military dispatched some soldiers to staff extra PPE production lines , identified immediately as a critical item.
Companies established new PPE production as well.
(Production reached 9.2 million per day in march in masks alone) .
Banned Cruise chips on 6th Feb.
Business is overall in a much better position than us.
Still Covid R value means only a small slip has a high price, battle continues.
Hopefully we can get to this position after another 2 weeks, or so, if we stay the course .
Covid does not hear your "but I just wanna" , "make an exception for me"
Have a great quiet and contemplative Easter with your bubblemates !
Edit ( Replaced "Taiwan at forefront" , to more correct " Taiwan near the forefront )
Anyone come across any heat maps of NZ, showing where all the lockdown offences are occurring?
BBC News - Coronavirus: Discarded disposable gloves on the street
Dan Giannopoulos explains what drew him to start photographing the discarded plastic gloves he found on the street as the coronavirus began to affect the way of life in the UK.
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So gross, and what were they doing that they needed gloves and then didn't in the middle of the street?
I guess we don;'t have medical waste bins at home... "I don't want that virus in my bin, I'll chuck it on the street."
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neb: I was watching a rather scary video clip of a woman who'd just came from a public church service in one of the numerous states that still allow them (!!). Not only had she been in a crowded space filled with other people, possibly infected, but she knew she was safe because she was "covered in the blood of Jesus" (her quote). I wonder if this is more an evangelical/pentecostalist thing in the US or a general Christian thing? The other Abrahamic religions certainly don't have it, Islam famously tells you "Tie [your camel] and trust in Allah" (al-Tirmidhī), and I'm not familiar with the teaching from Judaism but being a quite pragmatic faith I'd assume it's along similar lines.
Not trying to start a religious war, just curious about different faiths' approaches to the current situation, and whether there are regional variations, e.g. I know a number of people here who have attended Zoom-based church gatherings with no need for physical contact. Not sure how communion works with that, meaning what provision there is for doing it when there's no contact possible.
“About 30 per cent of patients failed to develop high titers of neutralising antibodies after Covid-19 infection. However, the disease duration of these patients compared to others was similar," they said.
The team also found that antibody levels rose with age, with people in the 60-85 age group displaying more than three times the amount of antibodies as people in the 15-39 age group.
The low amounts of antibodies could affect herd immunity, resistance to the disease among the general population to stop its spread.
Yikes - that's not good.
Pre-print paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v1
neb: I was watching a rather scary video clip of a woman who'd just came from a public church service in one of the numerous states that still allow them (!!). Not only had she been in a crowded space filled with other people, possibly infected, but she knew she was safe because she was "covered in the blood of Jesus" (her quote). I wonder if this is more an evangelical/pentecostalist thing in the US or a general Christian thing?
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The New York Times - Newest ‘essential service providers’: Easter bunny, tooth fairy.
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Following the lead of New Zealand’s prime minister, the leaders of Canada’s two most populous provinces have given two particular service providers special status.
Doug Ford, the premier of Ontario, officially proclaimed the Easter bunny an “essential service provider” thus freeing the seasonal visitor to make its rounds on Sunday.
But it won’t be business as usual for the bearer of chocolate eggs.
The Easter bunny, the order states, “shall not deliver Easter treats in parks, playgrounds and all other outdoor recreational amenities as described in Ontario Regulation 104/20.” ...
In Quebec, François Legault, the province’s premier, sternly reminded residents that gathering to celebrate Easter was not allowed, but he assured children that the work of the tooth fairy had been declared essential.
“I want to assure all parents that the tooth fairy has immunity against the coronavirus - there is no danger.” ...
EDIT - Meanwhile, in Western Australia ...
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