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  #2468035 22-Apr-2020 19:09
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Today I received a flyer in the postbox from someone who is organisating a Covid 19 meetup with drink for this Sunday out on the verge (wide verge) in the street. It says people need to bring chairs but bubbles must be a strict 2 metres apart from one another, and to also bring drinks, but it doesn't say who is organising it .

 

We had one of those, checked with the Neighbourhood Watch office first and they said it was OK, everyone brought their own cup of tea and kept well apart. I wasn't too enthusiastic about it, but we have a number of older people who have been in lockdown for a lot longer than a month and they really enjoyed the first social contact in a long time. In terms of checking with Neighbourhood Watch, I don't know how official or unofficial this policy is, meaning at what level the decision was made.

 

I think this sort of thing has been a regular occurrence in some places. Properly managed, I don't see a problem.





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  #2468040 22-Apr-2020 19:19
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"Last Week Tonight With John Oliver" S07E09 became available on alternate sources.

Talks about various misinformation out there, including people buying breast milk as a cure, and various Tv doctors like non-practicing psychologist "Dr Phil", and brain-dead right-winger, given the "Medal of Freedom" by Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh.

 
 
 
 


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  #2468042 22-Apr-2020 19:24
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I think this sort of thing has been a regular occurrence in some places. Properly managed, I don't see a problem.

 

 

On the subject of social-distanced get-togethers, think of the people who have served in the armed forces this Saturday. We're having a social-distanced Anzac memorial in the morning, one of the retired servicemen will say a few words, someone else is making paper poppies, and most of the street will be out in their driveways to participate. If they can't go to the Anzac commemoration, we'll bring it to them.

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I think this sort of thing has been a regular occurrence in some places. Properly managed, I don't see a problem.

 

On the subject of social-distanced get-togethers, think of the people who have served in the armed forces this Saturday. We're having a social-distanced Anzac memorial in the morning, one of the retired servicemen will say a few words, someone else is making paper poppies, and most of the street will be out in their driveways to participate. If they can't go to the Anzac commemoration, we'll bring it to them.

 

What a fantastic idea.

 

Earlier today I was thinking I won't get an opportunity to buy a poppy this year. :(





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  #2468059 22-Apr-2020 20:10
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As to Hendy saying that its likely that every case will be removed by extending L4 by 14 days thats rubbish. Sounds easy if you say it fast. If it was that easy we would extend L4, then easy, all over. No, its a marathon. Most of it is wiped out, it will take time to completely remove it, how they will do that has been widely stated.

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121123513/coronavirus-modelling-expert-says-lockdown-should-be-extended-two-weeks?=app-android

 

From the above:

 

He (University of Auckland Professor Shaun Hendy) told Stuff his modelling predicted that with about two weeks more of level four lockdown New Zealand would be enough to get down to zero new daily cases, or just one or two.

 

So, he did acknowledge that even with two weeks or more of Level 4 lockdown there could be one or two new daily cases, he didn't say that every case will be removed by extending Level 4 by 14 days.

 

 




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  #2468069 22-Apr-2020 20:39
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As to Hendy saying that its likely that every case will be removed by extending L4 by 14 days thats rubbish. Sounds easy if you say it fast. If it was that easy we would extend L4, then easy, all over. No, its a marathon. Most of it is wiped out, it will take time to completely remove it, how they will do that has been widely stated.

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121123513/coronavirus-modelling-expert-says-lockdown-should-be-extended-two-weeks?=app-android

 

From the above:

 

He (University of Auckland Professor Shaun Hendy) told Stuff his modelling predicted that with about two weeks more of level four lockdown New Zealand would be enough to get down to zero new daily cases, or just one or two.

 

So, he did acknowledge that even with two weeks or more of Level 4 lockdown there could be one or two new daily cases, he didn't say that every case will be removed by extending Level 4 by 14 days.

 

 

 

 

Sir David Skegg said we could have come out of level 4 today if contact tracing were up to standard and they had 4 weeks to get it up to scratch





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  #2468086 22-Apr-2020 20:59
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The Washington Post - Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought

 

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At least two people who died in early and mid-February had contracted the novel coronavirus, health officials in California said on Tuesday, signaling that the virus may have spread - and claimed lives - in the United States weeks earlier than previously thought.

 

Tissue samples taken from two individuals who died in Santa Clara County, Calif., tested positive for the virus, local health officials said in a statement. One of the victims died on Feb. 6, and the other died on Feb. 17.

 

Initially, the nation’s earliest coronavirus fatality was believed to have occurred on Feb. 29, in Kirkland, Wash., a suburb of Seattle that rapidly became a hotspot. ...

 

It is not yet known exactly how the two people became infected, but Sara Cody, the county’s public health officer, told The Post that the cases are believed to be community transmissions. ...

 





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International Business Times: Australian Doctors Weigh In On Whether Coronavirus Can Spread Through Farting
  • Australian doctors are looking at the possibility coronavirus may be passed on through farting

  • Scientists have said that coronavirus is transmitted through droplets or aerosols

  • Studies show that post-flush toilet emission may contain aerosolized feces
...The Australian doctor then proceeded to reassure their audience that even if true, everyone wears a mask that covers farts all the time. Dr. Swan was referring to the protective feature of pants, underwear, dresses, shorts, and many other garments. The doctor also said in terms of social distancing, people should not fart near others, and if they cannot restrain themselves, to make sure they are not bare-bottomed....

https://www.ibtimes.com/doctors-weigh-whether-coronavirus-can-spread-through-farting-2962120



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  #2468094 22-Apr-2020 21:11
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The Washington Post - Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought

 

today

 


At least two people who died in early and mid-February had contracted the novel coronavirus, health officials in California said on Tuesday, signaling that the virus may have spread - and claimed lives - in the United States weeks earlier than previously thought.

 

Tissue samples taken from two individuals who died in Santa Clara County, Calif., tested positive for the virus, local health officials said in a statement. One of the victims died on Feb. 6, and the other died on Feb. 17.

 

Initially, the nation’s earliest coronavirus fatality was believed to have occurred on Feb. 29, in Kirkland, Wash., a suburb of Seattle that rapidly became a hotspot. ...

 

It is not yet known exactly how the two people became infected, but Sara Cody, the county’s public health officer, told The Post that the cases are believed to be community transmissions. ...

 

 

 

so the virus survives for 2.5 months!





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  #2468098 22-Apr-2020 21:18
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this is interesting

 

in the dormitories in Singapore (? >20,000 people in shared living)

 

> 4,000 have tested positive

 

but no ICU admissions ( ? yet)

 

watching closely

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-moh-apr-21-foreign-workers-dormitories-12660968

 

 

I think we're >6000 cases in the manual labour dormitories now. They are conducting sweeping tests across the dorms.

 

Acc to the PM of Singapore, "all the current cases are either asymptomatic or showing only mild symptoms, nobody needing oxygen" ...





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  #2468106 22-Apr-2020 21:21
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Dim person who declared COVID-19 a "political ploy" dies from it

 

Ending up dead is a pretty harsh penalty for being an idiot but let's just hope this teaches a few people on the fence a thing or two.

 

 


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  #2468130 22-Apr-2020 21:58
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One of the victims died on Feb. 6, and the other died on Feb. 17.


Initially, the nation’s earliest coronavirus fatality was believed to have occurred on Feb. 29, in Kirkland, Wash.


so the virus survives for 2.5 months!


I don't think there's any suggestion that the Washington case was related to the earlier cases. More likely, both originated from people arriving from China.

I'm not sure what your 2.5 months related to, but the virus survives for 2.5 months by injecting a host, then spreading to a new host. Repeat that cycle every week or two.



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  #2468133 22-Apr-2020 22:08
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so the virus survives for 2.5 months!

 



I'm not sure what your 2.5 months related to, but the virus survives for 2.5 months by injecting a host, then spreading to a new host. Repeat that cycle every week or two.

 

 

The Medical Examiner-Coroner performed autopsies on two individuals who died at home on February 6, 2020 and February 17, 2020. Samples from the two individuals were sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  Today, the Medical Examiner-Coroner received confirmation from the CDC that tissue samples from both cases are positive for SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19).  

 

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-21-20-early.aspx 





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  #2468138 22-Apr-2020 22:28
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The Medical Examiner-Coroner performed autopsies on two individuals who died at home on February 6, 2020 and February 17, 2020. Samples from the two individuals were sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  Today, the Medical Examiner-Coroner received confirmation from the CDC that tissue samples from both cases are positive for SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19).  

 

 

Speculating here, but they could have just found inactive debris of viral cells rather than active virus culture? In other words they found evidence that the people died of it in the past, but not that it's currently active in them.

 

 

Another thing, how were the bodies preserved? There are viruses tens of thousands of years old coming out of permafrost as it thaws, so if the bodies were frozen the virus could remain active in them.

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frankv:

I'm not sure what your 2.5 months related to, but the virus survives for 2.5 months by injecting a host, then spreading to a new host. Repeat that cycle every week or two.

 

 

The Medical Examiner-Coroner performed autopsies on two individuals who died at home on February 6, 2020 and February 17, 2020. Samples from the two individuals were sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  Today, the Medical Examiner-Coroner received confirmation from the CDC that tissue samples from both cases are positive for SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19).  

 

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-21-20-early.aspx

 

 

Yes - but as there's always a background "natural" death rate from other respiratory disease/pneumonia, there are many deaths from C-19 not attributed to the disease.  From NYT today, IIRC, the recent background death rate with confirmed C-19 deaths subtracted is still about 1/3 higher than normal in most of Europe (depends on country).  The toll from C-19 won't be known for years (if ever).  Note that if there was a secondary infection ascertained from post mortem pathology (likely - because that's what happens), they'd probably put that as COD if other tests for known (at the time) likely viral infections were negative - which they would have been because they weren't testing for C19. 

 

C-19 would have been spreading from China in early January - so a few deaths in the US in Feb shouldn't be surprising.

 

If the odd healthcare worker or family of the deceased etc started coming down with unusual symptoms, then alarms should have been blaring.  But this was the USA - China did a better job in their early detection, the US system failed miserably.  It's a punch in the guts that America can't come to terms with - and maybe never will.


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