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  #2481480 11-May-2020 20:09
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

The bars one is odd. Yes bars have shown to cause clusters in NZ and in South Korea  recently, but so has a school, which caused one of the biggest ones. Is it correct that there isn't any social distancing of students now under level 2?

 

With bars, the MOH recommended 2 weeks delay, but instead it is about 10 days delay, and there wasn't a clear explanation as to why they didn't just do two weeks IMO.

 

I wonder how many bars will start serving meals at a table, such as a pie, so they can open as a restaurant, or is something preventing that?. There alreay are going to have to have them seated. If there is a loophole, a kiwi will find it. 

 

 

I read it as the MoH wanted bars to open 2 weeks after we went to level 2 ie 28th May. Cabinet decided it was too long for the economy and split the difference and gave an extra week (7 days from when we get out of Level 3)

 

The PM stated that restaurant/bars that opened from Thursday would be subject to the same criteria as if they were opening on Anzac Day or Easter Sunday ( as well as the 100 persons, 10 per group, and  the 3 S's). Ie if you would or could normally open on Easter SUnday, you can trade from Thursday with the new restrictions in place. These criteria have been very well established and all reputable operators should know them, and know if they qualify - as do the local licensing officers and Police. This seems to have been missed by a lot of the media, and some the bar operators themselves

 

The bars have been threatened with closure, so i don't think many ( if any) will risk it

 

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  #2481481 11-May-2020 20:09
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mattwnz:

https://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/6753123/covid-tracing-app-will-be-a-game-changer/



It has no geolocation capability, yet somehow can tell if your phone is within 1.5m of another phone. If this is true, I think it's a winner. But I don't quite see how it's possible. Maybe it does use GPS, but doesn't record locations, just distances. Previous attempts at ranging with BT haven't been successful. And nowadays BT has a range of up to 100m, so would give far to many false positive contact reports.

 
 
 
 


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  #2481482 11-May-2020 20:11
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Korea seems to have a real fight on its hands with the Itaewon district clubbing outbreak.

 

With cases now up to 86, they are hitting a wall with contact tracing.
With customers being shy about their clubbing activities, and perhaps false contact details.

 

“Among 5,517 people on the visitor’s logs obtained by the city, we reached 2,405 but couldn’t do so with 3,112,” Park said. “This means they intentionally avoided our calls or wrote a wrong number in the first place.”

 

So they are now offering anonymous testing 
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200511000761

 

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Cases have been rapidly increasing chiefly in Seoul and surrounding Gyeonggi Province since a 29-year-old man tested positive for the novel coronavirus on May 6. He visited five establishments in Itaewon on May 2, 3 and 5. They are King Club, Trunk Club, Club Queen, Soho and H.I.M.

 

Twenty-three of the 86 confirmed cases are secondary infections. No tertiary infection has been detected yet, authorities said.
"

 

Oh my , be careful out there ...


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  #2481483 11-May-2020 20:12
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frankv: It has no geolocation capability, yet somehow can tell if your phone is within 1.5m of another phone. If this is true, I think it's a winner. But I don't quite see how it's possible. Maybe it does use GPS, but doesn't record locations, just distances.

 

 

The first paragraph of the article says it uses Bluetooth, so perhaps it... uses Bluetooth?

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  #2481484 11-May-2020 20:14
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ockel:

 

So now we finally have clarity on the timing of the extremely overdue Level 2 when is someone (especially local Mayors) going to have the discussion about trans-tasman travel?

 

Queensland is a perfect case in point.  It has the virus under control (fewer cases, fewer deaths, fewer active cases for a similar population size), we have the virus under control, ScoMo has passed the travel decision to a state level..... when is our absent Minister for Tourism or our Minister for Foreign Affairs going to engage with the Queensland Premier on travel - for the sakes of both our nations? 

 

 

 

 

The conversations are happening (likely at a senior MFAT level to start with) - but Oz will likely need to allow their intra state economies to open first,  then interstate travel before opening up to NZ. So likely June/July/August

 

Tasmania would be the interesting one as it is an island, so more like NZ - easy to shutdown the internal borders and force isolation/quarantine

 

Clint


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  #2481485 11-May-2020 20:18
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clinty:

 

ockel:

 

So now we finally have clarity on the timing of the extremely overdue Level 2 when is someone (especially local Mayors) going to have the discussion about trans-tasman travel?

 

Queensland is a perfect case in point.  It has the virus under control (fewer cases, fewer deaths, fewer active cases for a similar population size), we have the virus under control, ScoMo has passed the travel decision to a state level..... when is our absent Minister for Tourism or our Minister for Foreign Affairs going to engage with the Queensland Premier on travel - for the sakes of both our nations? 

 

 

 

 

The conversations are happening (likely at a senior MFAT level to start with) - but Oz will likely need to allow their intra state economies to open first,  then interstate travel before opening up to NZ. So likely June/July/August

 

Tasmania would be the interesting one as it is an island, so more like NZ - easy to shutdown the internal borders and force isolation/quarantine

 

Clint

 

 

Tasmania has more active cases and more deaths than all of Queensland.  Its inhabitants barely travel and its not a tourist destination for NZ.

 

As such Tasmania makes no sense from an economic or health perspective.  


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  #2481492 11-May-2020 20:26
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ockel:

 

 

 

Tasmania has more active cases and more deaths than all of Queensland.  Its inhabitants barely travel and its not a tourist destination for NZ.

 

As such Tasmania makes no sense from an economic or health perspective.  

 

 

 

 

I was just looking at it from an interesting geographical point of view  - however looking at the stats:

 

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#total-cases-and-deaths-by-state-and-territory

 

It seems NT, WA, and SA would be better than QLD - less cases, less deaths

 

However as you mentioned, Scott Morrison is investing that power in the states - it will be up to them to make the first move, NZ has said we are keen when the numbers line up

 

Clint

 

edit Replaced nickname for Aus PM

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2481494 11-May-2020 20:33
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clinty:

 

ockel:

 

 

 

Tasmania has more active cases and more deaths than all of Queensland.  Its inhabitants barely travel and its not a tourist destination for NZ.

 

As such Tasmania makes no sense from an economic or health perspective.  

 

 

 

 

I was just looking at it from an interesting geographical point of view  - however looking at the stats:

 

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers#total-cases-and-deaths-by-state-and-territory

 

It seems NT, WA, and SA would be better than QLD - less cases, less deaths

 

However as you mentioned, Scott Morrison is investing that power in the states - it will be up to them to make the first move, NZ has said we are keen when the numbers line up

 

Clint

 

edit Replaced nickname for Aus PM

 

 

 

 

It is interesting.  Australia, but for the Ruby Princess, has made NZ look ordinary.  Some States have smashed Covid-19.  All while getting contactless delivery of McDonalds et al, and getting a haircut.  And yet the Australian PM gets no credit for the result.  Is it the blessing of being an island nation and closing borders - or is it leadership?


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  #2481529 11-May-2020 21:59
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neb:
frankv: It has no geolocation capability, yet somehow can tell if your phone is within 1.5m of another phone. If this is true, I think it's a winner. But I don't quite see how it's possible. Maybe it does use GPS, but doesn't record locations, just distances.
The first paragraph of the article says it uses Bluetooth, so perhaps it... uses Bluetooth?

 

I suspect it will use BLE packets.  When the RSSI is of a certain strength it theoretically indicates how close a person was to you.  The concept is the data is stored on the phone and then they download the data and can see all users who were in the persons vacinity.  


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  #2481532 11-May-2020 22:07
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The aus app might sound great. But they are still about 5million users short installing to be effective past 40%. (5m installed as of 5 days ago)

Ita made out to be the Same as the traffic flow detection. Log common Bluetooth contact addresses near exceeding x period of time for 20 days to cloud.

If a positive ID is made, contacts the app id of the submitter of the stats containing that positive users ID in common. No geo tracking. As you know who's been near.

But the people still think big brother is watching. Premieres refuse to install it.

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  #2481546 11-May-2020 23:21
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ockel:

 

 

 

It is interesting.  Australia, but for the Ruby Princess, has made NZ look ordinary.  Some States have smashed Covid-19.  All while getting contactless delivery of McDonalds et al, and getting a haircut.  And yet the Australian PM gets no credit for the result.  Is it the blessing of being an island nation and closing borders - or is it leadership?

 

 

 

 

Or are they getting all the cases? Apparently there is still community transmission occurring in Oz, unlike NZ where our level 4 lockdown essentially killed off all community transmission.  Their method is suppression, not elimination, so they have already said they expect lockdowns for a good 6 months. It does appear they have done better than they expected, but as per a previous link I posted here regarding an interview with one of their health ministers a week or so ago, they didn't consider elimination realistic.


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  #2481547 11-May-2020 23:26
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Oblivian: The aus app might sound great. But they are still about 5million users short installing to be effective past 40%. (5m installed as of 5 days ago)

But the people still think big brother is watching. Premieres refuse to install it.

 

 

 

And this sort of thing yesterday in the link below makes me wonder if NZ should be joining a bubble with Oz, when we would be joining a bubble with all these people. I thought it looked like the sort of thing to go on in the USA.  Luckily we haven't had this sort of thing in NZ. There unfortionately hasn't been a great deal of news in NZs mainstream media of what is going on in Oz with the virus, which I think is needed considering we are considering a travel bubble with them.

 

https://twitter.com/rachael_dexter/status/1259306149930651648


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  #2481548 11-May-2020 23:27
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GV27:

 

mattwnz:

 

I wonder how many bars will start serving meals at a table, such as a pie, so they can open as a restaurant, or is something preventing that?. There alreay are going to have to have them seated. If there is a loophole, a kiwi will find it. 

 

 

Hello I would like your blackboard special of one sausage roll and six jugs of Golden, thanks. 

 

 

It's reminiscent of the Auckland Uni Club in the mid 90s.

 

A plate of chips with your 24 beers and a side of chunder sir?


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  #2481549 11-May-2020 23:34
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Selfish COVID-19 positive lowlife spent 7 days in jail after refusing mandatory medical examination

 

It's absolutely ridiculous to me how lax our enforcement of the lockdown rules have been compared with, say, Australia where cops have been handing out massive infringement fines. For once it appears the system is showing some signs of spine, although she really should continue to be remanded in custody given how stupid she appears to be. This woman, when she is inevitably convicted, should be sentenced to the maximum jail term. We just cannot as a society be seen as remotely tolerating this kind of conduct.

 

 


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  #2481610 12-May-2020 00:37
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Handle9:

 

It's reminiscent of the Auckland Uni Club in the mid 90s.

 

A plate of chips with your 24 beers and a side of chunder sir?

 

 

Bloody hell that was along time ago - and awesomely/sadly? accurate :)

 

But not really a surprise given the Engineers were mol running it :)

 

/end-unrelated comment

 

 

 

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