2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2485833 18-May-2020 19:38

Eater: The Inn at Little Washington thinks mannequins will make social distancing less awkward

The Michelin-starred restaurant hopes to make its dining room feel less empty once customers return at limited capacity

...chef Patrick O’Connell plans to seat unused tables with mannequins wearing vintage, 1940s-style outfits.

The Inn plans to open for dinner on Friday, May 29. Under Virginia’s current plan, it could welcome customers for half-capacity outdoor seating as early as Friday, May 15. If Virginia progresses through its first phase of reopening quickly, the Shenandoah Valley destination may be able to serve customers inside by the time it opens its doors.
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#2485838 18-May-2020 19:51

mattwnz:

Technofreak:

I'm not sure he knows more than most.

I was more meaning that he has first hand experience, due to almost dying from it, and being right at the coal face. Plus he would also have also seen exactly what doctors had to cope with.

Ah OK see what you mean.

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#2485863 18-May-2020 20:24

CNN Health: To take on the coronavirus, US vaccine makers consider an unprecedented strategy: working together.

...Bioethicist Art Caplan said it's unprecedented that a plan for competing US vaccine companies to work together in one large trial is even being considered.

"This is all very recent," he said....

...If the vaccine developers band together in one large phase 3 trial of all of their experimental vaccines, they could all use the same placebo group and wouldn't have to recruit their own....

Dr. Lawrence Corey, president and director emeritus of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, said the overall effort -- several vaccine companies working this fast -- is unprecedented.

"I don't think in all of history there's ever been an infectious disease that infected more people in such a short time," he said.

Whatever route is taken for the trials, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on Monday dispelled any hope that a vaccine would be ready by autumn.
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#2485986 18-May-2020 22:50

Interesting writeup on how the state of Kerala, India, a pretty impoverished (average wage $100/week) and overcrowded (population 35 million) place dealt with Covid19. Total deaths: 3. They did what they could with what they had, and made it work.

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#2486028 19-May-2020 05:29

WHO and China agrees on investigation into the cause of Covid when the time is right

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/who-to-agree-deal-over-future-coronavirus-inquiry

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#2486029 19-May-2020 05:31

mattwnz:

If temperature scanning was reliable, wouldn't they have done it initially at airports. I do recall hearing them say that it wan't reliable, which is why they hadn't been doing it, and these scanners can have quite a large margin or error.

Automated scanning with specialised cameras is +-0.5K. It can be done at smartgates or customs. It'll only detect those with elevated temperatures. You are looking at 20% detection rate at best, probably more like 10%.

It's better than nothing but it's certainly not a replacement for isolation.

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#2486030 19-May-2020 06:17

Handle9:

mattwnz:

If temperature scanning was reliable, wouldn't they have done it initially at airports. I do recall hearing them say that it wan't reliable, which is why they hadn't been doing it, and these scanners can have quite a large margin or error.

Automated scanning with specialised cameras is +-0.5K. It can be done at smartgates or customs. It'll only detect those with elevated temperatures. You are looking at 20% detection rate at best, probably more like 10%.

It's better than nothing but it's certainly not a replacement for isolation.

Not all infected people have fever symptoms and you can take antipyretic drugs before the flight.

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#2486032 19-May-2020 07:12

mattwnz:

The issue I see is, that I understand each of those people in a household that has someone infected, can now go shopping / go to school / restaurant / funeral etc and has the potential to spread it into the community silently. It was fine under level 4, and even under level 3, as bubbles were isolated. But now under level 2 we don't really have bubbles, and things are almost back to normal from what I have observed. It is really about identify where the holes are to prevent a repeat of past errors, as relaxation of the rules in other countries, even some that were doing better than NZ, has led to second waves. We probably won't know for a few more weeks if there have been any outbreaks caused by other people in bubbles of existing cases.

Dr A intimated that will likely happen, but its now manageable

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#2486057 19-May-2020 08:29

Observations:

Less children biking to School.

Hence more cars dropping / picking up for the School. Therefore (Around here) traffic is a lot heavier especially around School time.

And from the S.O. there are a lot more people not observing Social Distancing in town. (Chch)

People are dirtier than ever in the kitchen at work. Just leave things including dirty dishes, and walk away!

A person who owns / runs a retail outlet on the West Coast was at PaknSave in Riccarton and was horrified at the lack of Social Distancing to the point of being scared!

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#2486064 19-May-2020 08:39

As a vulnerable person, I have become hyper-aware of the threats posed by Covid 19. I have also been dealing with virus issues in my cats. It is all very concerning and frustrating.

Which makes me wonder: Do viruses have any positive qualities at all? Many bacteria are beneficial, and some are essential. If all viruses were to disappear tomorrow, would this be a good thing? What ecological role do they actually play? I can imagine that there might be overpopulation issues with animals that did not have to worry about viral diseases, but beyond that is there any benefit to the existence of viruses?

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#2486075 19-May-2020 08:56

After venturing into town in the weekend I have decided where possible my purchasing will be online. Social distancing in Wellington was a joke. Any shop that offers a pen and paper to record my entry will not gain my entry. I am not touching that infested stick. Whitcoulls is a joke, not registering (not required but highly recommended), no 2 meter indicators. and with their tightly packed aisles and crap on the floor it is impossible to keep ones distance. They are also a nightmare for anyone with disabilities. Noel Leemings had a tablet to use for entering and yeah I am not touching that petri dish, they also had a QR code that was hit or miss and very buggy but got there in the end.

In the end I went home and ordered stuff online which will probably take until level one to arrive.

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#2486086 19-May-2020 09:26

MikeB4:In the end I went home and ordered stuff online which will probably take until level one to arrive.

You're optimistic!

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#2486092 19-May-2020 09:42

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12332939

France closes some schools due to outbreak of virus

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#2486095 19-May-2020 09:49

D Trump has been taking hydroxychloroquine for a "few weeks"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-taking-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-vaccine-medicine-a9521151.html

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#2486099 19-May-2020 10:00

Batman:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12332939

France closes some schools due to outbreak of virus

That's a bit frightening - but there's a lack of information in the article - ie not stated whether the cases were pupils or adults, or whether they were infected at the school or before returning to school. I hope we haven't made a serious mistake here.

FWIW, the cases of "Kawasaki disease" in children infected with C-19 are a real thing, but I've read that the numbers of cases are almost statistically insignificant - there's not a large spike in overall incidence of the syndrome - it happens rarely anyway - before the C-19 pandemic.

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