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  #2492134 26-May-2020 19:41
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[Mod edit (MF): No politics in this thread. And certainly not hard right-wing MAGA stuff in here]


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  #2492205 26-May-2020 20:02
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Ahh yes. Rememberance day.
When we all stand shoulders to shoulders as bulletproof beings that individually 'aren't too worried about the corona' because it's not effected me other than suggest we stay home against our constitutional right, while sweeping the 100,000 and growing dead under the rug for the afternoon

They are on another planet. A self righteous one.

 
 
 
 


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  #2492209 26-May-2020 20:10
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[Mod edit (MF): No politics in this thread. And certainly not hard right-wing MAGA stuff in here]

 

 

Well that was a putrid dose of hard-right delusional conspiracy theory and abject BS.

 

might sound like the kind of statement you would hear from a tone-deaf, leftist college student—the sort who likes to imply that every bad thing that happens to America is punishment for her “white supremacy,” or some such nonsense

 

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But now that China’s biggest global export is their knockoff of the common flu, global attitudes have changed, and rightfully so. Donald Trump’s history of criticizing China dating back as far as the 1980s, which his opponents dismissed as an obsession and scapegoating, is now one more reason that President Trump looks like one of the smartest and most prescient men of our time.

 

 

And then it gets even worse.  Pathetic nonsense.  


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  #2492210 26-May-2020 20:13
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Oblivian: Ahh yes. Rememberance day.
When we all stand shoulders to shoulders as bulletproof beings that individually 'aren't too worried about the corona' because it's not effected me other than suggest we stay home against our constitutional right, while sweeping the 100,000 and growing dead under the rug for the afternoon

They are on another planet. A self righteous one.

 

Too right. CNN is still on here, medico's discussing the various needs to combat it. Like self isolation, and so on, exactly what we are doing, then yakking to the public who dont want the Govt ordering them how to be safe, one guy, in his 60;s says his family all wear masks but he doesnt as he doesn't think he will catch it or pass it on. Strange as.


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  #2492299 26-May-2020 21:30
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Sorry, @fred99 - removed your post because it was quoting the hard racist conspiracy theory that was posted before and removed.





 

 

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  #2492349 26-May-2020 23:14
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Sorry, @fred99 - removed your post because it was quoting the hard racist conspiracy theory that was posted before. 

 

 

Just to clarify, nothing against your post. I am actually reinstating it, without the offending quote from the other poster.





 

 

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  #2492413 27-May-2020 01:21
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Another good article

 

Despite the uncertainties, there is emerging evidence as to how COVID-19 is now likely to play out, both in New Zealand and across the globe. Identifying these scenarios is fundamental to subsequent response strategies for economic recovery

 

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/105226/despite-uncertainties-there-emerging-evidence-how-covid-19-now-likely-play-out-both

 

A quote from this article which could be NZs undoing, 

 

It would be a tragedy if, having sailed so close to the wind back in March, but having then come though the tempest, we were now to drop our guard.  Opening of the Australian border too soon, or an outbreak from airline staff not having to self-isolate, could be our undoing. 


 
 
 
 




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  #2492427 27-May-2020 06:07
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i cannot believe airline staff is not required to quarantine. can anyone confirm?





Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #2492439 27-May-2020 07:29
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Summary: despite Trump assurances, "What do you have to lose," more likely to kill you than prevent Covid-19.

The Lancet: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis

Summary

Background

Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with a second-generation macrolide, are being widely used for treatment of COVID-19, despite no conclusive evidence of their benefit. Although generally safe when used for approved indications such as autoimmune disease or malaria, the safety and benefit of these treatment regimens are poorly evaluated in COVID-19.

Findings

96,032 patients (mean age 53·8 years, 46·3% women) with COVID-19 were hospitalised during the study period and met the inclusion criteria.

Of these, 14 888 patients were in the treatment groups (1868 received chloroquine, 3783 received chloroquine with a macrolide, 3016 received hydroxychloroquine, and 6221 received hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide) and 81 144 patients were in the control group. 10 698 (11·1%) patients died in hospital.

After controlling for multiple confounding factors (age, sex, race or ethnicity, body-mass index, underlying cardiovascular disease and its risk factors, diabetes, underlying lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and baseline disease severity), when compared with mortality in the control group (9·3%), hydroxychloroquine (18·0%; hazard ratio 1·335, 95% CI 1·223–1·457), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (23·8%; 1·447, 1·368–1·531), chloroquine (16·4%; 1·365, 1·218–1·531), and chloroquine with a macrolide (22·2%; 1·368, 1·273–1·469) were each independently associated with an increased risk of in-hospital mortality.

Compared with the control group (0·3%), hydroxychloroquine (6·1%; 2·369, 1·935–2·900), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (8·1%; 5·106, 4·106–5·983), chloroquine (4·3%; 3·561, 2·760–4·596), and chloroquine with a macrolide (6·5%; 4·011, 3·344–4·812) were independently associated with an increased risk of de-novo ventricular arrhythmia during hospitalisation.

Interpretation

We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19.

Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

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  #2492456 27-May-2020 08:06
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freitasm:

 

freitasm:

 

Sorry, @fred99 - removed your post because it was quoting the hard racist conspiracy theory that was posted before. 

 

 

Just to clarify, nothing against your post. I am actually reinstating it, without the offending quote from the other poster.

 

 

The linked article was so delusional I wondered if the other poster actually just though it was funny - but forgot to add an "/s" tag.


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  #2492464 27-May-2020 08:16
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i cannot believe airline staff is not required to quarantine. can anyone confirm?

 

 

Basically yes - NZ crew are exempt from quarantine if they meet specified criteria:

 

 

Advice for air and marine crew

 

The Health Act Order Section 70(1)(e), (ea) and (f) order excludes aircraft pilots, flight crew members, maritime crew (immediately transferring to a vessel), and medical attendants, assisting with medical air transfers, from 14 days of managed isolation or quarantine if they follow the Ministry of Health requirements.

 

 

 

Ministry of Health officials reviewed the requirements following concerns being raised about the risks from aircrew coming to New Zealand.  The key changes are:

 

  • providing risk criteria and requiring risk mitigations
  • distinguishing between New Zealand-based and overseas-based aircrew
  • requiring New Zealand-based aircrew to comply with risk mitigation measures
  • requiring overseas-based aircrew to be accommodated in facilities that meet or exceed the criteria for managed facilities
  • requiring 14 days quarantine or isolation for aircrew who don’t comply with risk mitigation measures.

 

 

The revised requirements are available on the Ministry of Health website: https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-information-specific-audiences/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-advice-airline-crew

 

 

Direct link to current advice for air crew (PDF): https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/covid-19-advice-to-airline-crew-on-precautions-to-reduce-risk-of-covid-19-infection8-may2020.pdf


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  #2492486 27-May-2020 08:41
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Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.

 

Belief that the sun rotates a flat earth wasn't easily quelled by increasingly compelling evidence that it doesn't. 


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  #2492499 27-May-2020 09:00
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Summary: despite Trump assurances, "What do you have to lose," more likely to kill you than prevent Covid-19.

 

Ummm, my reading is that what it says is that giving hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to covid-19 patients is more likely to kill them than doing nothing.

 

There's certainly no measure of whether it *prevents* covid-19, since it was administered to people in hospital who already had covid-19. But perhaps you could say it more likely to kill you than *cure* covid-19. And, since it about doubles your mortality risk, you could even say that taking hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine is about as likely to kill you as covid-19 itself.

 

And you could also say that about 140 people died to disprove this theory.

 

 


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  #2492509 27-May-2020 09:17
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Winston Peters wants level 1 now and the Tasman bubble now. We know he wants those, but it was a sooner than later thing, not a now thing, AFAIK. Seems that he is exercising his right in the Coalition while also grabbing some brownie points with National? I think we all want the Tasman bubble, and sooner than later, but is it time to have non isolated free travel from AUS to NZ? Makes the recent post on aircrew seem long redundant. We need to be careful here


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  #2492513 27-May-2020 09:26
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Winston Peters wants level 1 now and the Tasman bubble now. We know he wants those, but it was a sooner than later thing, not a now thing, AFAIK. Seems that he is exercising his right in the Coalition while also grabbing some brownie points with National? I think we all want the Tasman bubble, and sooner than later, but is it time to have non isolated free travel from AUS to NZ? Makes the recent post on aircrew seem long redundant. We need to be careful here

 

 

 

 

Currently I would be happy with travel to QLD,WA,SA,TAS and ACT.... VIC and NSW have still got obvious community transfer.... they need to drive their active case numbers down some more before I would be happy having a fully open border with them...

 

 


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