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  #2495163 30-May-2020 15:53
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freitasm: We might have dodged a bullet but the fight is not over yet.

 

The fight will never be over as long there is no vaccination. But people got much smarter after the 1st wave's immediate personal consequences and definetely fear a 2nd wave.

 

 

 

 

having an effective vaccine is not the end. you still have to convince some people to take it.





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  #2495192 30-May-2020 17:16
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I'm waiting for a reporter to ask next time trump goes on about the Covid vaccine to ask whether it will be compulsory.....


 
 
 
 




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  #2495213 30-May-2020 17:58
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His voters are antivaxxers. The last time they asked him about the vaccine he said the vaccine is not important, he'll have it, but people don't have to have it if they don't want to. I'll see if I can find it somewhere. I watched him say it. But his story changes by the hour so who knows.

The actual question was: if a vaccine was available will you take it. The answer was a resounding yes. But then he remembered his voters (you could see his brain at work through his face) . Hence those further qualifiers.




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  #2495221 30-May-2020 18:22
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It's things like this from BBC news today that worry me about how many American will actually get vaccinated if we find a vaccine...

A new YouGov poll of 1,640 people suggests that 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people - with the figure rising to 44% among Republicans.

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  #2495369 30-May-2020 22:08
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  #2495373 30-May-2020 22:32
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freitasm:

 

"Australian anti-vaxxers label Covid-19 a 'scam' and break distancing rules at anti-5G protests"

 

The headline says it all, really.

 

 

It's not just Australia. There is an alternative parallel universe on the planet who thinks the same I reckon.





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  #2495476 31-May-2020 00:08
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I came across this in the Daily Telegraph today - thought it had potential.

 

 

 

"Developments regarding Covid-19 testing are offering renewed hope for the possibility of European summer holidays.

 

Yesterday The Telegraph revealed exclusively that the government is considering implementing 20-minute testing prior to airport arrival so that Britons could avoid international quarantines.

 

A new private service is also launching, also with the aim of enabling quarantine-free travel. Swiss startup Viselio, which normally provides visa services, already offers self-testing and lab-appointment testing in Switzerland, and will have launched the service in the UK, France, Germany, Austria and the Netherlands by Tuesday, June 2, at the latest.

 

For £169, travellers will receive the relevant accepted test for whichever country they are visiting, and certification in the corresponding language. Countries that will accept testing as an alternative to quarantine include Iceland, Austria, the Czech Republic, Cyprus, Turkey, Thailand and Cambodia, with ready documentation avoiding the potential need to wait around in airports.

 

“We are proud to be offering the first European network of COVID-19 testing specifically tailored for travellers. We are thrilled to be making travel accessible again in these difficult times for families, their loved ones as well as businesses who rely on travel to conduct their work”, said Viselio CEO Niklas Zeller.

 

Speaking exclusively to Telegraph Travel, he said the company would also not rule out offering a similar service for antibody testing in future, if it began to be accepted at international borders. Mr Zeller described the UK government not accepting testing as an alternative to quarantine as "nonsense".

 

As things currently stand given the above, any Briton leaving the UK once FCO advice has been lifted would still need to isolate for 14 days upon return – though the move to considering pre-departure testing may suggest changes are afoot.

 

Plans to create 'air bridges' – mutual quarantine exemption agreements between the UK and other countries with similar infection rates – meanwhile, continue to progress, and may be in place by June.  "






 
 
 
 


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  #2495478 31-May-2020 00:12
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KrazyKid: A new YouGov poll of 1,640 people suggests that 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people - with the figure rising to 44% among Republicans.

I'd like to see how many of each cohort are Facebook users. It gets pretty crazy even touching on the periphery of that crazy stuff I can't imagine what it is like in the groups themselves.

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  #2495479 31-May-2020 00:52
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Batman: His voters are antivaxxers. The last time they asked him about the vaccine he said the vaccine is not important, he'll have it, but people don't have to have it if they don't want to. I'll see if I can find it somewhere. I watched him say it. But his story changes by the hour so who knows.

The actual question was: if a vaccine was available will you take it. The answer was a resounding yes. But then he remembered his voters (you could see his brain at work through his face) . Hence those further qualifiers.

 

 

 

If there is actually a vaccine for this ever developed, I think it will likely be a condition of traveling into or out of a country, that you have the shot.  So if one was to go to the US, then you would be vaccinated against it. I can see schools and colleges requiring it as well, as well as possibly insurance companies if you want to get life and health insurance, or income protection insurance . But the main thing is that it must be safe and well tested, because we don't want the 'cure' to be worse than the illness itself.


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  #2495480 31-May-2020 00:58
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Tinkerisk:

 

freitasm: We might have dodged a bullet but the fight is not over yet.

 

The fight will never be over as long there is no vaccination. But people got much smarter after the 1st wave's immediate personal consequences and definetely fear a 2nd wave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only time will really tell what is going to happen on this. IN the UK, their R0 figure is supposedly only just below 1, and their cases have been reasonably steady while in lockdown. But with the easing of their lockdown, they expect a second wave to occur.  I haven't really seen any predictions or projections of how experts see things going in terms of numbers, say in 1,2,3,5, years down the track if there is no vaccine. Thank god we may have effectively eliminated it from NZ, so if that is the case, eventually in a few months we maybe back to a totally normal life again, within NZ, including all older people. In the UK, and other countries that are now relying on herd immunity, older people may have lost their freedom of a normal life, until a vaccine comes along.


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Only time will really tell what is going to happen on this. IN the UK, their R0 figure is supposedly only just below 1, and their cases have been reasonably steady while in lockdown. But with the easing of their lockdown, they expect a second wave to occur.  I haven't really seen any predictions or projections of how experts see things going in terms of numbers, say in 1,2,3,5, years down the track if there is no vaccine. Thank god we may have effectively eliminated it from NZ, so if that is the case, eventually in a few months we maybe back to a totally normal life again, within NZ, including all older people. In the UK, and other countries that are now relying on herd immunity, older people may have lost their freedom of a normal life, until a vaccine comes along.

 

 

I am 64 and fill a fairly unique role at work - so no short term replacement available. I also travelled extensively for work, primarily the Americas and Europe.  Under the new normal that is gone. We may have virtually eliminated but in a "No Vaccine" world I will not be travelling overseas to high risk areas.

 

Equally, we may have a normal environment within NZ but cannot afford to let anyone in from a high risk country without surety of some form. Cleverer people than me will work out what that is but we can only have our Domestic Normal if we protect our borders.

 

The new normal is a vastly different world.


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  #2495512 31-May-2020 09:27
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NZ is buzzing, tourist wise in Level 2

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/05/domestic-tourists-get-busy-travelling-new-zealand.html

 

A lot of flights, full bookings, happy tourism operators.


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  #2495524 31-May-2020 09:59
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NZ is buzzing, tourist wise in Level 2


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/05/domestic-tourists-get-busy-travelling-new-zealand.html


A lot of flights, full bookings, happy tourism operators.



Some happy tourist operators. Those of us who need international visitors not so happy.





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  #2495526 31-May-2020 10:05
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Geektastic:
tdgeek:

 

NZ is buzzing, tourist wise in Level 2

 

 

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/05/domestic-tourists-get-busy-travelling-new-zealand.html

 

 

 

A lot of flights, full bookings, happy tourism operators.

 



Some happy tourist operators. Those of us who need international visitors not so happy.

 

Yes, unfortunately. 


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  #2495620 31-May-2020 11:58
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Geektastic:

Some happy tourist operators. Those of us who need international visitors not so happy.

 

Is there no way at all to adapt your business to the current situation?

 

 





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