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  #2503639 12-Jun-2020 14:06
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neb:
concordnz: The government should buy up 12-15 in each main airport Centre. To use for managed quarantine.


Uhh, do you know how much it'd cost to buy up a dozen hotels in a place like Auckland?


Very little, (pocket change) compared to the Billions which they have thrown around so far.
(& they would still have a valuable asset they could sell back into the market for as much or more - once Quarintine/homeless had finished with it.)

But yes they could do your 'reverse Auction' idea - but to me that seems a lot more messing around - when we have an urgent problem to resolve.

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  #2503641 12-Jun-2020 14:07
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Handle9:
ockel:

 

Great article from Newsroom.  It will take years, at the current rate, to bring our own people home let alone deal with tourists.

 

 

 

Clearly if you're in the most affluent group of people (like film workers for billionaires) then you'll get one of those 250/day places for quarantine.

 

 

 

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/06/12/1225937/the-limit-on-nz-incs-migrant-led-growth?utm_source=Friends+of+the+Newsroom&utm_campaign=d95be47f50-Daily+Briefing+12.6.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71de5c4b35-d95be47f50-83321269

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How difficult can it be to organise more quarantine places - hotels have record low occupancy (and are being mothballed), hotels have the ability to provide food and cleaning, the Government should be able to organise security and management for more than 3,500 people at a time.  

 

 

 

And capacity hasnt changed in a month.  What are Departments like Immigation and Health doing?  Continued mismanagement.

 



I'm sure if there were more places and they weren't being fully utilised you'd be complaining about waste.

Is there demand for more than 250 places a day? Tourism isn't relevant and business travel isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Certainly the limitations on New Zealanders returning aren't on the quarantine side, it is very difficult to get flights. That will change a bit from July-September but it's hardly going to be exponential growth.

 

Ha!  Probably.  But I'd rather pay for empty hotel rooms and hotel staff than have a hotel close its doors and lay off staff. 

 

Which is better - paying for unused hotel rooms (and the full trickle down effect like paying local council rates etc etc) or paying the higher tier unemployment benefit for hotel workers to do nothing??


 
 
 
 


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  #2503651 12-Jun-2020 14:21
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Hmmm,

 

Australia just dumped almost 1/3 of their active cases in a reclassification today....

 

Basically if they are not dead or recovered after 6 weeks cases are being declared "not active"......

 

Total actives in all of Aust are now 296...

 

NSW lost 104 from their 300+ total...

 

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/find-facts-about-covid-19

 

If this is to believed, they are continuing on the path to elimination (despite it not being a stated goal)

 

 

 

 


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  #2503860 12-Jun-2020 21:20
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And NSW did it again today , 149 “actives” got dumped as they exceeded 6 weeks since infection and not being recovered or deceased .:: now down to 71 active ......

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  #2503861 12-Jun-2020 21:30
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Handle9:
ockel:

 

Great article from Newsroom.  It will take years, at the current rate, to bring our own people home let alone deal with tourists.

 

 

 

Clearly if you're in the most affluent group of people (like film workers for billionaires) then you'll get one of those 250/day places for quarantine.

 

 

 

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/06/12/1225937/the-limit-on-nz-incs-migrant-led-growth?utm_source=Friends+of+the+Newsroom&utm_campaign=d95be47f50-Daily+Briefing+12.6.20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71de5c4b35-d95be47f50-83321269

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How difficult can it be to organise more quarantine places - hotels have record low occupancy (and are being mothballed), hotels have the ability to provide food and cleaning, the Government should be able to organise security and management for more than 3,500 people at a time.  

 

 

 

And capacity hasnt changed in a month.  What are Departments like Immigation and Health doing?  Continued mismanagement.

 



I'm sure if there were more places and they weren't being fully utilised you'd be complaining about waste.

Is there demand for more than 250 places a day? Tourism isn't relevant and business travel isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Certainly the limitations on New Zealanders returning aren't on the quarantine side, it is very difficult to get flights. That will change a bit from July-September but it's hardly going to be exponential growth.

 

I somehow suspect there is. Apparently there's something like 10,000 permanent residents trying to get back to New Zealand. At the moment they're not getting a look in as all of the spaces are being taken up by New Zealand citizens. 





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  #2503864 12-Jun-2020 21:48
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wellygary: And NSW did it again today , 149 “actives” got dumped as they exceeded 6 weeks since infection and not being recovered or deceased .:: now down to 71 active ......


In their defense iis the covid patient likely to be a danger to the public after 6 weeks. I would have thought the virus is well past the infectious stage and the poor person is suffering other health problems caused by their illness, eg damaged lungs making it hard to breathe.

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  #2503865 12-Jun-2020 21:49
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Technofreak:

Handle9:

I'm sure if there were more places and they weren't being fully utilised you'd be complaining about waste.

Is there demand for more than 250 places a day? Tourism isn't relevant and business travel isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Certainly the limitations on New Zealanders returning aren't on the quarantine side, it is very difficult to get flights. That will change a bit from July-September but it's hardly going to be exponential growth.


I somehow suspect there is. Apparently there's something like 10,000 permanent residents trying to get back to New Zealand. At the moment they're not getting a look in as all of the spaces are being taken up by New Zealand citizens. 



I think there may be eventually but the bottle neck currently seems to be getting to NZ, not quarantine capacity.

What I'm not clear on is if the government is deliberately limiting passenger operations to match the quarantine capacity.

For example Emirates is flying 3 times a week to Auckland with 777. They are passenger planes solely carrying freight. They can immediately move those to carry passengers as well, if there is demand and they are allowed to.

 
 
 
 


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  #2503925 13-Jun-2020 00:28
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wellygary:

 

Hmmm,

 

Australia just dumped almost 1/3 of their active cases in a reclassification today....

 

Basically if they are not dead or recovered after 6 weeks cases are being declared "not active"......

 

Total actives in all of Aust are now 296...

 

NSW lost 104 from their 300+ total...

 

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/find-facts-about-covid-19

 

If this is to believed, they are continuing on the path to elimination (despite it not being a stated goal)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand their stated objective, and the word they are using is 'suppression', and being in and out of lockdown for many months to control it. Even now it  seems pretty locked down compared to normal domestic life in NZ. I don't think some states will be able to eliminate it, at least not in the near future.  It appears that some states don't want to open up to others, due to some states being potentially covid free like NZ.  But the potential super spreading of the virus these rallies which may show up in the next few weeks is a major worry IMO. The apparently went to court to ban them. These people don't seem to be thinking about all the businesses that would be affected if there was another lockdown in Australia, and sure they could do their protesting a different way, considering we are in the middle of a pandemic. IMO they should all be doing  14 days of  self isolation. 


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  #2503933 13-Jun-2020 06:25
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Handle9: I think there may be eventually but the bottle neck currently seems to be getting to NZ, not quarantine capacity.

What I'm not clear on is if the government is deliberately limiting passenger operations to match the quarantine capacity.

For example Emirates is flying 3 times a week to Auckland with 777. They are passenger planes solely carrying freight. They can immediately move those to carry passengers as well, if there is demand and they are allowed to.

 

From what I could figure out from an interview on RNZ with with the minister of immigration there is already a quarantine bottleneck, except of course if you are a high profile film crew.





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  #2503940 13-Jun-2020 08:08
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Does anyone know what the guidelines are for hot desking? There were guidelines under L2 but couldn’t find anything under L1. I may have to go back into the office but now have to share a hot desk.

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  #2503941 13-Jun-2020 08:13
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Stu1: Does anyone know what the guidelines are for hot desking? There were guidelines under L2 but couldn’t find anything under L1. I may have to go back into the office but now have to share a hot desk.


There are none , social distancing requirements or building occupancy limits no longer exist ,

Just watch the coverage of the rugger tonight , it’s going to be like the “good old days”

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  #2503944 13-Jun-2020 08:29
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Stu1: Does anyone know what the guidelines are for hot desking? There were guidelines under L2 but couldn’t find anything under L1. I may have to go back into the office but now have to share a hot desk.

 

 

 

I think it’s all down to personal responsibility, you know just like pre-virus when nobody came to work sick? If communal surfaces are a concern then I guess you have to take matters into your own hands and disinfect before use. A ‘good’ employer might even provide the cleaning materials.

 

The downside of an environment that is too sterile is it makes your immune system lazy and less able to react to future ‘nasties’.





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  #2503977 13-Jun-2020 10:42
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Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #2504082 13-Jun-2020 13:30
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Batman:

UK airlines want to sue govt re quarantine measures

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/12/business/uk-airlines-legal-challenge-quarantine/index.html

 

 

How much of that is real and how much is liability shifting disguised as outrage?

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