2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2504129 13-Jun-2020 16:15

New York Times: New Zealand to Allow Some Maritime Vessels, Cruise Ships Still Banned

New Zealand said on Friday that it would allow entry of some maritime vessels as it looks to open up its economy after lifting all coronavirus restrictions earlier this week.

Cruise ships and people travelling for leisure, however, will continue to be banned from entering the country, the government said in a statement.

New Zealand lifted all social and economic restrictions except border controls after declaring on Monday it was free of the coronavirus, one of the first countries in the world to return to pre-pandemic normality.

It's now looking to kick-start its economy that was battered by the lockdown.

The government said it will allow entry to those arriving at the maritime border, where there is a compelling need for the vessel to travel to New Zealand.

Border restrictions will also no longer apply to replacement cargo ship crew arriving in New Zealand by air and transferring straight to a cargo ship set to leave its shores.

This will help keep the shipping routes open, said the statement.

Most maritime journeys to New Zealand take more than 14 days, so crew and others can self-isolate en route.

Two syndicates challenging for the America's Cup have also been granted exemptions to enter New Zealand and begin their preparations for the event that will be held in Auckland early next year.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/06/11/world/asia/11reuters-health-coronavirus-newzealand-border.html

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#2504131 13-Jun-2020 16:23

neb: From today's Theatre of the Absurd:

Hydroxychloroquine: US sends Brazil 2 million doses of drug to treat coronavirus

...Mr Trump and Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil’s president, have spoken twice since March, when Mr Bolsonaro visited the Mar a Lago resort, the White House added.

Mr Bolsonaro’s government relaxed the rules on using hydroxychloroquine to fight coronavirus in mid-May, allowing it to be given to people with less severe symptoms. “There is still no scientific evidence, but it is being monitored and used in Brazil and worldwide,” he said at the time.

The far-right premier previously likened coronavirus to a “little flu” and has chafed against the lockdown measures implemented by some regional governments – much like his neighbour to the north....

It seems natural that Trump would want to exploit brown people to dump / test his snake oil. Even better that it's in another country. What's a few deaths abroad if he can brag about it being tested by the best people, even before the results are in.

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#2504148 13-Jun-2020 17:03

More likely just dumping rather than testing, someone spent a fortune on snake oil and now they get to write it off as a donation rather than having to be held accountable for it.

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#2504188 13-Jun-2020 17:27

Technofreak:

Handle9: I think there may be eventually but the bottle neck currently seems to be getting to NZ, not quarantine capacity.

What I'm not clear on is if the government is deliberately limiting passenger operations to match the quarantine capacity.

For example Emirates is flying 3 times a week to Auckland with 777. They are passenger planes solely carrying freight. They can immediately move those to carry passengers as well, if there is demand and they are allowed to.

From what I could figure out from an interview on RNZ with with the minister of immigration there is already a quarantine bottleneck, except of course if you are a high profile film crew.

If that was the case I'd expect to see passengers turned away or not quarantined - I haven't seen any reporting on this. There's no permit system stopping New Zealanders who appear at the border from crossing.

If the government is preventing passenger operations that would also be interesting as I'd expect to see it in the media.

I think it's a problem that will come but I'm not convinced it's here yet.

Edit: The capacity issue is clearly there - that's been well reported. It's whether they are hitting that capactity limit.

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#2504197 13-Jun-2020 18:16

neb: From today's Theatre of the Absurd: Hydroxychloroquine: US sends Brazil 2 million doses of drug to treat coronavirus

Hopefully the Brazilians can divert it to treating malaria.

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#2504199 13-Jun-2020 18:20

neb: More likely just dumping rather than testing, someone spent a fortune on snake oil and now they get to write it off as a donation rather than having to be held accountable for it.

Bingo. And it's a great deal, because the world's most prominent politician has been endorsing use of the drug as some kind of miracle - many of the people in countries will have seen that - but won't be receiving correct advice that it's useless. It's a great political con-job using quack medicine.

If you want an example of how populism beats science, post something (referenced) on your facebook page saying that taking Vitamin C won't help you fight a cold. See how many responses you get from people with a first-world education who'll tell you you're wrong.

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#2504306 13-Jun-2020 20:41

Question: NZ Citizen's who are are in mandatory (hotel) 14 day quarantine when they arrive:

Who is paying the hotel and food bill for this, the govt or those in quarantine?

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#2504309 13-Jun-2020 20:47

xlinknz:

Question: NZ Citizen's who are are in mandatory (hotel) 14 day quarantine when they arrive:

Who is paying the hotel and food bill for this, the govt or those in quarantine?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12339580

We all are. Eventually.

The earlier cost questions are also outlined there.

The first 40 days of quarantining and isolating all people arriving from overseas amid the Covid-19 pandemic has cost almost $50 million.

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#2504324 13-Jun-2020 23:15

Oblivian:

xlinknz:

Question: NZ Citizen's who are are in mandatory (hotel) 14 day quarantine when they arrive:

Who is paying the hotel and food bill for this, the govt or those in quarantine?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12339580

We all are. Eventually.

Why are we paying? Surely the person arriving should be paying. More of our taxes being being spent unnecessarily.

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#2504335 14-Jun-2020 06:36

Technofreak:
Why are we paying? Surely the person arriving should be paying. More of our taxes being being spent unnecessarily.

Hopefully the way the taxpayer subsidizes many types of unjustified welfare are being considered. Hopefully Sanitarium, and other religious for profit organisations will start paying their fair share. It would offset some of the costs imposed on innocent travellers by this pandemic.

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#2504340 14-Jun-2020 08:19

Technofreak:

Why are we paying? Surely the person arriving should be paying. More of our taxes being being spent unnecessarily.

so if you were a NZ citizen coming home to where you live you would quite willing to pay $6000 to come home, i know i wouldnt . I would be quite willing to spend time in quarantine but not at my expense

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2504344 14-Jun-2020 08:32

according to a lawyer rules are still not really rules https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300034068/avatar-crew-allowed-into-nz-without-basis-in-immigration-rules

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#2504350 14-Jun-2020 08:59

vexxxboy:
Technofreak:

Why are we paying? Surely the person arriving should be paying. More of our taxes being being spent unnecessarily.

so if you were a NZ citizen coming home to where you live you would quite willing to pay $6000 to come home, i know i wouldnt . I would be quite willing to spend time in quarantine but not at my expense

Cheaper than US healthcare. Most healthcare plans here start at having to pay 4k-10k. I could see Nzers returning home from some countries rather than risk it.

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#2504373 14-Jun-2020 10:06

vexxxboy:

Technofreak:

Why are we paying? Surely the person arriving should be paying. More of our taxes being being spent unnecessarily.

so if you were a NZ citizen coming home to where you live you would quite willing to pay $6000 to come home, i know i wouldnt . I would be quite willing to spend time in quarantine but not at my expense

It is interesting as the govt did not pay for the repatriation flights but are paying the hotels for quarantining. Many were willing and did pay more than standard fairs to get back to NZ at their own cost. I wonder how many would have stayed where they were if they knew they had to pay for quarantine costs?

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#2504418 14-Jun-2020 13:17

xlinknz:

It is interesting as the govt did not pay for the repatriation flights but are paying the hotels for quarantining.

Yes the government / we did pay.

People on the repatriation flights were charged ~$5500 each IIRC - and many complained bitterly.
The government document dump a few Fridays ago showed that the average cost to MFAT was ~$15,000 per seat. The returnees made only a substantial contribution towards the cost, the taxpayer - i.e. you &me - paid the lion's share

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