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  #2429904 2-Mar-2020 09:47
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tdgeek:

 

mattwnz:

 

I thought it was interesting the air pollution maps over China. It was shocking to see how little pollution there currently is during the shutdown in China.

 

 

It is. But we need to realise that a huge amount of that pollution is ours, given that they export so much and us first world countries consume so much of it

 



I agree with both people.

The latter point raises a further concern. Given they dominate the worlds supply of several key products.

 


As some point soon (if china doesn't ramp production back up) the world is going to start running low on things like structural steel, children's toy, medication, textiles etc.


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  #2429908 2-Mar-2020 09:57
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Scott3:

 

As some point soon (if china doesn't ramp production back up) the world is going to start running low on things like structural steel, children's toy, medication, textiles etc.

 

 

Efforts are being made to get production back, but if there are shortages there are shortages.


 
 
 
 


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  #2429910 2-Mar-2020 10:00
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Scott3:

 

As some point soon (if china doesn't ramp production back up) the world is going to start running low on things like structural steel, children's toy, medication, textiles etc.

 

 

The "official" word is that China is returning to work, But I would give it another week or two until it become clearer how close they are to normal production levels..

 

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/01/c_138830918.htm

 

 

 

 


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  #2429928 2-Mar-2020 10:35
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  #2429971 2-Mar-2020 10:38
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Well that was fast..

 

There's a COVID-19 outbreak at the LifeCare Center, a senior's care facility in Kirkland, WA.
Looks as though a staff member at the facility – who's now in hospital - tested positive.
There are about 108 residents, 50 are showing symptoms so far.

 

Trevor Bedford, a scientist and associate professor at the University of Washington believes the virus has been spreading undetected in the state for about 6 weeks.

Two males in their 60s with underlying health conditions are also "in critical condition" in hospital there - one's a Postal worker.


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  #2430006 2-Mar-2020 11:19
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Considering the huge issues in South Korea I dont understand why flights are still allowed in.


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  #2430075 2-Mar-2020 12:40
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Fred99:

 

 

 

 

 

This is the diagram I was also referring to in a previous post. That shows that the governments decision to only contact those two row infront and two rows doesn't appear to match how it potentially can spread in a plane. IMO all people on that plane potentially could have been infected. In 2003 it appears 18 people developed it from that one person from that flight, and it was spread throughout the plane. So IMO all people on that flight should be at least self isolating, which is what that hair dresser has done. 

 

 

I too thought it sounded a bit strange that they were only contacting the people that were sitting a couple of rows either side of the infected passenger. Don't they realise that people get up and walk around the cabin to stretch their legs, go to the toilet, etc?


 
 
 
 


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  #2430080 2-Mar-2020 13:00
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MurrayM:

 

I too thought it sounded a bit strange that they were only contacting the people that were sitting a couple of rows either side of the infected passenger. Don't they realise that people get up and walk around the cabin to stretch their legs, go to the toilet, etc?

 



Plus all the non plane stuff that goes along with travel - sitting in the gate lounge etc, queuing in the air-bridge etc...


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  #2430081 2-Mar-2020 13:02
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Scott3:

 


Plus all the non plane stuff that goes along with travel - sitting in the gate lounge etc, queuing in the air-bridge etc...

 

 

And anyone that was in the same vehicle as the passenger was transported from the airport to wherever they went.


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  #2430088 2-Mar-2020 13:09
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tdgeek:

 

Efforts are being made to get production back, but if there are shortages there are shortages.

 

 

Yip. I am hoping that the shortages will be in areas that don't have much of an impact on our living quality. If say there was a clothing shortage for 6 - 10 months, i would guess that most of NZ would be quite fine using their existing wardrobe. (Of course the economic impact to clothing retailers would be large)

 

 


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  #2430098 2-Mar-2020 13:26
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From Fred99's WHO report:

 

 

COVID-19 is transmitted via droplets and fomites during close unprotected contact between an infector and infectee. Airborne spread has not been reported for COVID-19 and it is not believed to be a major driver of transmission based on available evidence

 

 

I read this to mean that generally speaking you won't get infected just by sitting near someone with the disease. They would need to cough actual droplets onto your face, or onto something (fomite = inanimate object that temporarily holds the virus) that you touch and then wipe your mouth, nose, or eyes.

 

So someone sitting in the same block of seats in an aircraft, particularly if adjacent to the infector or the infector/infectee need to cross to get to the aisle, is likely to become infected. But any further away it becomes quite unlikely. Certainly it's possible via seatbacks on the way to/from the toilet, luggage locker handles, or via drink or food receptacles to infect practically anyone in the same section of the aircraft.

 

Same goes for airport lounges, taxis, etc.

 

But this seems to suggest that masks which stop droplets would provide effective protection (apart from the eyes). Which is the opposite message from what the authorities say.

 

 


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  #2430100 2-Mar-2020 13:31
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But this seems to suggest that masks which stop droplets would provide effective protection (apart from the eyes). Which is the opposite message from what the authorities say.

 

 

Masks can help stop you spreading it, .....but have little impact on stopping you receiving it,

 

 

 

 


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  #2430113 2-Mar-2020 13:57
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Masks can help stop you spreading it, .....but have little impact on stopping you receiving it,

 



For surgical, or cloth masks that is true.

However correctly fitted P2 / N95 or better masks can stop you from getting it (when combines with googles).

 

"Ardern said the New Zealand health system is "ready" for COVID-19, including 9 million P2 masks, able to stop the virus from entering via the mouth."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/very-high-chance-coronavirus-will-reach-nz-jacinda-ardern/ar-BB10ioGQ


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  #2430114 2-Mar-2020 14:03
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Scott3:

 

wellygary:

 

Masks can help stop you spreading it, .....but have little impact on stopping you receiving it,

 



For surgical, or cloth masks that is true.

However correctly fitted P2 / N95 or better masks can stop you from getting it (when combines with googles).

 

"Ardern said the New Zealand health system is "ready" for COVID-19, including 9 million P2 masks, able to stop the virus from entering via the mouth."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/very-high-chance-coronavirus-will-reach-nz-jacinda-ardern/ar-BB10ioGQ

 

 

Yes, we are ready for COVID-19, its had free reign to come here, since day one.


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  #2430115 2-Mar-2020 14:03
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tdgeek:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

I thought it was interesting the air pollution maps over China. It was shocking to see how little pollution there currently is during the shutdown in China.

 

 

 

 

It is. But we need to realise that a huge amount of that pollution is ours, given that they export so much and us first world countries consume so much of it

 

 

 

 

I don' really agree with that, because they could use clean energy that doesn't produce CO2. eg have hydro, solar or wind, or even nuclear power instead of coal power generation. But coal is likely cheaper, which is built into lower priced goods.So it is a false economy, as we pay for it later with global warming problems. I understand they are moving to cleaner power now, and that will likely result in higher priced goods, as China move to produce higher quality stuff. Then I can see a lot of this cheaper manufacturing moving to lower wage countries again, like Africa or India.

 

We could also use that argument about NZ's environmental problems with our farming, such as dairy and runoff into rivers, much of the food being exported. That pollution is NZ's, and NZ's to address,  not the rest of the worlds who buy our food products. 


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