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#2507055 18-Jun-2020 08:25

the women in the wrong or the protocol that was lacking?

well you be the judge https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/121855654/coronavirus-six-wrong-calls-from-health-officials-after-couple-cleared-to-leave-covid19-isolation

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#2507056 18-Jun-2020 08:29

sittingduckz:

So the person that was hugged and kissed when to her Gym in Highland Park, Auckland on Tuesday and now that Gym is closed until testing is complete. These people cannot be trusted... Lost on THE motorway. The Novatel In Ellerslie is almost on the motorway. And there is only 1 auckland motorway required.

Just a bunch of lies that are now compounding. Makes you wonder how many in Welly had close contact like this.

I think JA was a bit quick with the 'they did nothing wrong' speech

Who is lying? everything we've heard in the media were not words out of the mouths of the women.

We do not know their story. As far as I am able to piece together, the women followed all the rules.

We do not know what health screenings were conducted and what their answers (to verbal questions, if any) were.

Maybe they were paucisymptomatic? as in didn't feel any symptoms. we do not know that - all we have on that front is DG saying "in retrospect they were showing mild symptoms".

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#2507065 18-Jun-2020 08:44

Batman:

sittingduckz:

So the person that was hugged and kissed when to her Gym in Highland Park, Auckland on Tuesday and now that Gym is closed until testing is complete. These people cannot be trusted... Lost on THE motorway. The Novatel In Ellerslie is almost on the motorway. And there is only 1 auckland motorway required.

Just a bunch of lies that are now compounding. Makes you wonder how many in Welly had close contact like this.

I think JA was a bit quick with the 'they did nothing wrong' speech

Who is lying? everything we've heard in the media were not words out of the mouths of the women.

We do not know their story. As far as I am able to piece together, the women followed all the rules.

We do not know what health screenings were conducted and what their answers (to verbal questions, if any) were.

Maybe they were paucisymptomatic? as in didn't feel any symptoms. we do not know that - all we have on that front is DG saying "in retrospect they were showing mild symptoms".

OK, I'm sure they were asked who they had contact with etc. and lied about it!! What else is there?

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#2507070 18-Jun-2020 08:53

dejadeadnz:

I said from the time of the Christiansen decision that the MoH was systemically stuffed. Few NZers would have read the full decision (I have) -- the utter lawlessness and the "We are king of the world!" culture on the part of the MoH was absolutely apparent then. Drunk on adulation and buying into their own (and everyone else's) unwarranted hype for what was relatively speaking pretty good management of the disease that still had its weaknesses, these useless bureaucrats seem to still be in party mode.

There needs to be a serious clean out but we all know it won't happen.

What's interesting is that we moved from zero exceptions to the quarantine rules a little over a month ago to (as of yesterday) 200 people who had been granted exemptions.

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#2507071 18-Jun-2020 08:55

Batman:

sittingduckz:

So the person that was hugged and kissed when to her Gym in Highland Park, Auckland on Tuesday and now that Gym is closed until testing is complete. These people cannot be trusted... Lost on THE motorway. The Novatel In Ellerslie is almost on the motorway. And there is only 1 auckland motorway required.

Just a bunch of lies that are now compounding. Makes you wonder how many in Welly had close contact like this.

I think JA was a bit quick with the 'they did nothing wrong' speech

Who is lying? everything we've heard in the media were not words out of the mouths of the women.

MOH has confirmed they met with 'close contacts' after getting lost in Auckland.

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#2507073 18-Jun-2020 09:01

sittingduckz:

OK, I'm sure they were asked who they had contact with etc. and lied about it!! What else is there?

You're getting that information second-hand, so are assuming that the women were not telling the truth - rather than the MoH officials who stuffed this up from the start wanting to cover-up what really happened.

Don't forget that the opposition, the deputy PM, and many high-profile people from business, universities etc have been arguing strongly and petitioning to ease border restrictions. Some of the universities want to run their own "quarantine" facilities so they can get tens of thousands of foreign students back into the country. Or should I say they were pushing that idea hard until yesterday - the plan might have been abandoned. They need to be told "no". Then dig deeper into what the problem is - and it's a funding issue - they've been dependent on foreign student fees to make up for what they claim is under-funding (if relying on NZ students only).

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#2507082 18-Jun-2020 09:37

Hmm, not sure how much I buy the "we got lost on the motorway so a friend had to physically drive out and point us south" story.

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#2507086 18-Jun-2020 09:47

invisibleman18:

Hmm, not sure how much I buy the "we got lost on the motorway so a friend had to physically drive out and point us south" story.

Exactly! This is how you get to wellington

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#2507087 18-Jun-2020 09:49

invisibleman18:

Hmm, not sure how much I buy the "we got lost on the motorway so a friend had to physically drive out and point us south" story.

Two early middle age ladies? Most normal thing in the world. Both getting lost and having someone come out to show the way. Also, don't forget the emotional state they were apparently in due to the sooner than expected death of the relative. I find it completely believable. The part that bothers me is allowing them to drive all the way to Wellington in that state.

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#2507088 18-Jun-2020 09:49

It's harder to say "We went to visit our friend before we left Auckland"

My views (except when I am looking out their windows) are not those of my employer.

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#2507095 18-Jun-2020 10:06

Rikkitic:

Two early middle age ladies? Most normal thing in the world. Both getting lost and having someone come out to show the way. Also, don't forget the emotional state they were apparently in due to the sooner than expected death of the relative. I find it completely believable. The part that bothers me is allowing them to drive all the way to Wellington in that state.

We're not talking 'middle-aged' here - one was in their 30s. Show me anyone in their 30s who doesn't know how to use Google Maps.

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#2507109 18-Jun-2020 10:32

C'mon sisters, just admit you went and visited your friends. Don't make the rest of womanhood look bad by perpetuating the myth that we can't read a map or follow basic directions.

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#2507122 18-Jun-2020 10:52

Every week we hear of more stories about what a joke it is.

If it looks like a unorganised joke to those in isolation/quarenteen, should anyone expect those in isolation to treat this seriously ?

- homeless guy sneaking in & staying in the hotel for 2 weeks , only found out when he was due for release . SO ZERO DOCUMENTATION or he would have been caught at day one.
- some of those due for release asking several times to be tested , yet never got tested once .
- mixing & mingling of those in isolation. Expert said this makes the isolation worthless , someone due for release in contact with those recently arrived .
- those in 'isolation' mixing & mingling with general public in the hotels . Yes , this happened .
- on arrival at the airport, being given a handout with statement that testing IS NOT compulsory. How is this possible. Surely the no.1 condition of entry is COMPULSORY testing .

All this is pretty well known . We hear of this all the time .
The only people who didnt know are those in charge

You have to suspect theres something going on we dont know about , I honestly cant see how it could be so micky mouse for so long .
Perhaps not enough testing kits supplied , so perhaps many in isolation/quarenteen literally couldnt be tested . What other explanation is there ?

Thelma & Louise are the tip of the Iceberg .

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#2507123 18-Jun-2020 10:52

dejadeadnz:
The MoH's performance has been a disgrace. There's now additional reports of people absconding from compassionate leave.

Again the 'discraceful performance' - blame must be laid on the individuals themselves.

They were granted exemptions on compassionate grounds - (largely after Media abuse of the MOH)
And the *****'s Abused that 'privilege'

Perhaps it is time to drop the carrot & pick up the stick.
The police & Justice System seem incompetent in enforcement. - Meaning there is Zero consequences encouraging others to ignore the rules.

Let's announce Martial Law & mandatory immediate 30 days Jail for anyone who breaks a exemption & for anyone found travelling with COVID-19.
(No exceptions no excuses)

Once the 'penalty' is big enough - people will take personal responsibility (& just not risk it)

We have spent Billions of our future children's income on this disaster. & weak consequences is going to cost us billions more

Clearly we cannot trust even Returning New Zealanders. To bother CAREING enough to 'do the RIGHT thing'

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#2507128 18-Jun-2020 11:00

Its very clear that the common factor is that humans cannot be trusted. It started on day one of Level 4, it hasnt stopped. The only solution is for quarantine, they are locked in their rooms. If they are allowed out to exercise they cant be trusted not to mingle, so we need babysitters everywhere. If they are in self isolation we need a guard. Thats the bottom line. This has happened thousands of times, fines and Police presence make no difference, thats plainly clear

So, if we dont want any breaches, then we need enough people to manage the three or so thousand in quarantine. Isolation at home maybe cannot be allowed. Exemptions cannot be allowed. Its obvious that each person has to be managed

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