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  #2507298 18-Jun-2020 12:42
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Well maybe we missed the bullet with these two, but that there may be many others is a bigger worry. 

Prison service seems to be able to manage people on release, maybe prison service should be in charge.
They have access to ankle bracelets for 100% tracking.

 

But really its pretty simple and should not be needed.

 

Perhaps we do need to have some consequences repeatedly spelled out for defying the rules and not being open.
If you break isolation then to find you we will publish your identity to find you and so everyone can check if they have been in contact.
So if you want your privacy protected , follow the rules. 
Plus we do what Australia does for willful disobedience with large fines, restart of isolation in secure facility. 
Ive been ok with our not pulling out the penalties , education first , but there need to be limits to this kindness.

 

We still seem to be holding back on tests , whats going on ? 
Yet we are told there are plenty of tests , and no reluctance to test.
Is there still reluctance from health authorities who have to meet the bill to do what government asks due to cost ?
I have not seen anywhere how much the tests cost ?
Are we short of test kits , and not being told ( Again ? ) ?

 

Certainly creates a feeding frenzy for the misinformation and CT crowd who jump all over the talk-back from the short look I have taken into that sewer.
Risk is losing the will of the people to follow the course.

 

Its terrible all around, but for those who went through lock-down here and missed seeing dying relatives.
Who could not get managed mechanism to do so. 
Well to just have people who just step off the plane and do what they want , it must be hard to see this after such sacrifice.


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  #2507304 18-Jun-2020 12:47
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A very good interview this morning on Radio NZ here with Sir David Skegg (he starts at approx 19:00)

 

key points from my perspective were

 

  • AIR NZ staff can flight domestically after 48 hrs of being crew on Intl flights and staying in hotels in Covid-19 hot spots such as USA where they cannot easily self isolate. This is a significant risk. 

I have spoken to several friends that have conducted return flights to LA and to Shanghai from NZ. They do self isolate in both those locations and meet very strict protocols while there.

 

In LA they largely remain in their rooms and if they do need to go out they must wear a mask and gloves. They are not allowed to ‘exercise’ like people isolating in NZ.
In Shanghai in particular the people they are in contact with are in full hazmat suits and they are not allowed out of their rooms. The hotel reeks of disinfectant through being sprayed multiple times a day.

 

I can understand their anger at ill-informed comments because their livelihoods have already been severely impacted by this and they do everything they can to not make it worse.





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  #2507313 18-Jun-2020 12:58
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In LA they largely remain in their rooms and if they do need to go out they must wear a mask and gloves.

 

 

When I see things like this it alarms me as it shows a real lack of understanding around infectious diseases.  There is no need for average Joe to use gloves, in fact bad behaviours occur because of it.

 

 


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  #2507314 18-Jun-2020 13:00
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@sittingduckz , or the prison from Running Man, where your collar blows your head off if you breach the perimeter.





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  #2507316 18-Jun-2020 13:01
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Dingbatt:

 

In LA they largely remain in their rooms and if they do need to go out they must wear a mask and gloves.

 

 

When I see things like this it alarms me as it shows a real lack of understanding around infectious diseases.  There is no need for average Joe to use gloves, in fact bad behaviours occur because of it.

 

 

 

 

Unless you are trained how to use them properly.





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  #2507318 18-Jun-2020 13:03
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kiwifidget:

 

@sittingduckz , or the prison from Running Man, where your collar blows your head off if you breach the perimeter.

 

 

 

 

lol Oh yes, that's the one





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  #2507319 18-Jun-2020 13:04
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Well maybe we missed the bullet with these two, but that there may be many others is a bigger worry. 

Prison service seems to be able to manage people on release, maybe prison service should be in charge.
They have access to ankle bracelets for 100% tracking.

 

But really its pretty simple and should not be needed.

 

Perhaps we do need to have some consequences repeatedly spelled out for defying the rules and not being open.
If you break isolation then to find you we will publish your identity to find you and so everyone can check if they have been in contact.
So if you want your privacy protected , follow the rules. 
Plus we do what Australia does for willful disobedience with large fines, restart of isolation in secure facility. 
Ive been ok with our not pulling out the penalties , education first , but there need to be limits to this kindness.

 

We still seem to be holding back on tests , whats going on ? 
Yet we are told there are plenty of tests , and no reluctance to test.
Is there still reluctance from health authorities who have to meet the bill to do what government asks due to cost ?
I have not seen anywhere how much the tests cost ?
Are we short of test kits , and not being told ( Again ? ) ?

 

Certainly creates a feeding frenzy for the misinformation and CT crowd who jump all over the talk-back from the short look I have taken into that sewer.
Risk is losing the will of the people to follow the course.

 

Its terrible all around, but for those who went through lock-down here and missed seeing dying relatives.
Who could not get managed mechanism to do so. 
Well to just have people who just step off the plane and do what they want , it must be hard to see this after such sacrifice.

 

 

Sorry, but no no no

 

Ankle bracelets. Great but people mingle, break the rules. Bracelet wouldn't help

 

It is simple and should not be needed, but the number of rule breakers is in the thousands

 

Consequences? No. a fine or public shaming is too late when they have already mingled

 

Clearly "some" will break the rules no matter what, the issue now is no rule breaking. Rules, fines etc will not stop that

 

Locked in will stop that, as will employing a huge number of babysitters aka Police, Military. It has to be forced IF you want 100% compliance

 

 

 

Good post, but we already played that game of trust and it has to be thrown out

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2507322 18-Jun-2020 13:10
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New case, tested positive in isolation, that seems like it's going to happen one way or the other. 


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  #2507325 18-Jun-2020 13:14
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Exactly! This is how you get to wellington

 

 

So they probably lied about getting lost and just stopped to meet a friend for a social get-together.

 

 

I wonder what else they've lied about. My guess is not stopping anywhere is another one. It'd be interesting if the police were to look at their EFTPOS/ATM records...

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  #2507327 18-Jun-2020 13:16
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Rikkitic:

 

I can easily imagine one looking at a map the wrong way round and being confused by the sign pointing south.

 

 

I wonder how long they'd been in the UK?

 

Because I recall on my one and only trip to Rome being 180 degrees confused by North vs South, to the extent of deciding I didn't have time to walk all the way to the Colliseum, walking off in the "opposite" direction, and then looking up and seeing it a couple of hundred metres away. (I normally have a good sense of direction, and am skilled at reading & following maps, AND I had a map). And I had a similar experience in San Francisco decades later.

 

I put it down to the Sun being to the South when in the Northern hemisphere, but to the North when in the Southern hemisphere. I also think of East as 90 degrees clockwise from North. Which gets confusing mid-morning when the Sun is in the North-East.

 

So, assuming an absence of turn-by-turn instructions, I have to accept that being confused about directions is credible.

 

 


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  #2507328 18-Jun-2020 13:17
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neb:
sittingduckz:

 

Exactly! This is how you get to wellington

 

So they probably lied about getting lost and just stopped to meet a friend for a social get-together. I wonder what else they've lied about. My guess is not stopping anywhere is another one. It'd be interesting if the police were to look at their EFTPOS/ATM records...

 

 

 

I can see a web of lies unravelling over the next few weeks. Also all the wellington contacts that we don't know about yet.

 

 

 

And yes, the friend they met who also knowingly broke the rules.





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  #2507329 18-Jun-2020 13:18
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IMO heads need to roll.

 

 

While I'm not normally the vindictive type (unless you're a possum destroying the peach/plum trees), might I suggest that just for this case we briefly reintroduce crucifixion as a punishment? With nails, not rope. Pour encourager les autres.

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  #2507332 18-Jun-2020 13:19
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in will stop that, as will employing a huge number of babysitters aka Police, Military. It has to be forced IF you want 100% compliance.

 

 

There weren’t enough police to do their normal job before all this. Where do you expect to magic them up from for this expanded role?

 

It would appear that things are being done to a budget instead of viewing it as an insurance policy against even greater (economic) carnage. The number of virus testing stations has been cut back when now is as important as ever to have extra vigilance and random checking.

 

A great ‘shovel ready project’ would be a proper isolation facility.





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  #2507333 18-Jun-2020 13:20
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neb:
sittingduckz:

Exactly! This is how you get to wellington



So they probably lied about getting lost and just stopped to meet a friend for a social get-together.


Maybe at the McDonald's on the other side of the motorway.... ?




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  #2507335 18-Jun-2020 13:21
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People lie. Everyone lies. These two lied.

 

Anyone in isolation at a hotel complaining it's like a prison is an idiot.

 

If you wanted back, you knew the rules. It's to make five million people safe.

 

If not abiding by the rules, you are an idiot. If you are complaining about the rules you are an idiot. 

 

And if you are an idiot and with symptoms and still go out and meet people and lie, then you are more than an idiot. 





 

 

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