2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2513694 27-Jun-2020 15:42

As Florida's Republican governor DeSantis issued stay-at-home orders and closed some businesses in April, he specifically exempted professional wrestling from adhering to the rules, was justified "because they are critical to Florida’s economy."

Two weeks ago, the same Florida governor told reporters outside at an Orlando nursing home with Vice President Mike Pence.

You’ve got a lot of people in your profession [journalists] who waxed poetically for weeks and weeks, about how Florida was going to be just like New York.

"Wait two weeks, Florida’s going to be next;"

"Just like Italy, wait two weeks."

Well hell, we’re eight weeks away from that, and it hasn’t happened. I was the #1 landing spot from the #1 hotspot in the world [New York] to come to my state [Florida].

So we've succeeded and people don't want to recognize it, because it challenges their narrative. It challenges their assumptions, so they got try to find a boogeyman, maybe it's black helicopters circling the department of health.

Today Florida shattered the daily record for new coranvirus cases, with almost 9,000 confirmed cases in one day.

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#2513697 27-Jun-2020 15:57

No, the problem you are having is a bad government.

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#2513704 27-Jun-2020 16:31

In more how to be a dick news...(And why are "human farmers" trying to trick us?)

Newsweek: Face mask exemption cards and flyers with Department of Justice seal are not real, federal enforcement officials say

"Flyers proclaiming the bearer exempt from wearing face masks were called fraudulent by the U.S. Department of Justice on Wednesday. Some of the flyers, which can also be reduced to the size of business cards and printed, may bear the official DOJ seal.

Many states have mandated the use of face coverings in public spaces due to the possibility of the spread of the coronavirus. Some individuals see wearing face masks as a violation of their civil liberties. According to the DOJ, the flyers in question are not officially endorsed by the U.S. government.

...FTBA stands for the Freedom to Breathe Agency, whose logo and website address also adorn the card. According to the website, FTBA is a "movement of proud American citizens who are dedicated to protecting their freedom and liberty."

A Facebook link on the FTBA website leads to a private group page. According to the group's history, FTBA was previously known as the Anti-Mask Task Force. The Facebook group has been in existence since the beginning of June 2020.

..."Wearing a mask is an unhealthy obstruction of oxygen flow that can lead to hypoxemia and hypoxia, can permanently damage the brain, lungs, heart and about any organ," says the group's Facebook description. "We must protect our birth right to breathe. This is NOT negotiable. FTBA is an agency designed to stop face mask orders from spreading nationwide and globally."

On the resources page of the FTBA website, the group explains that wearing a face mask is a "psychological anchor for suppression, enslavement and cognitive obedience."

"How long before your human farmers trick you into believing that it is better you stop breathing altogether... as to stop the spread of a virus?" the website continues.
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https://www.newsweek.com/face-mask-exemption-cards-flyers-doj-seal-are-not-real-feds-say-1513275

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#2513852 28-Jun-2020 10:42

Huffington Post / Reuters: Scientists Just Beginning To Understand The Many Health Problems Caused By Covid-19

Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.

Besides the respiratory issues that leave patients gasping for breath, the virus that causes COVID-19 attacks many organ systems, in some cases causing catastrophic damage.

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.

In addition to respiratory distress, patients with COVID-19 can experience blood clotting disorders that can lead to strokes, and extreme inflammation that attacks multiple organ systems. The virus can also cause neurological complications that range from headache, dizziness and loss of taste or smell to seizures and confusion.

And recovery can be slow, incomplete and costly, with a huge impact on quality of life.
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Khan believes there will be a huge healthcare expenditure and burden for individuals who have survived COVID-19.
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Studies are just getting underway to understand the long-term effects of infection, Jay Butler, deputy director of infectious diseases at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters in a telephone briefing on Thursday.

“We hear anecdotal reports of people who have persistent fatigue, shortness of breath,” Butler said. “How long that will last is hard to say.”
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scientists-just-beginning-to-understand-the-many-health-problems-caused-by-covid-19_n_5ef77886c5b6acab28426268

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#2513853 28-Jun-2020 10:51

these are all (some common some rare) post viral effects of all the other known *viruses. it's nothing new. but the sheer numbers of covid infection being so contagious means there are more people with these issues. i think this is old news, they've been saying this since day 1. media blowing it out. don't panic.

*type in a random virus and search the complications and you'll see what I mean.

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#2513860 28-Jun-2020 11:23

Batman:

these are all (some common some rare) post viral effects of all the other known *viruses.

This is pretty significant given the large number of people infected:

People infected with the coronavirus may be left with permanent lung damage. Doctors are reporting growing numbers of people who still have breathlessness and coughing months after falling ill with covid-19, and whose chest scans show evidence of irreversible lung scarring.

The numbers of people affected aren’t yet known, but estimates are as high as one in five of those who needed intensive care treatment for covid-19. Permanent damage is sometimes seen after other kinds of chest infections that can cause similar lung inflammation to the coronavirus, such as flu and pneumonia.

"We have always seen this before – what’s different is the scale of this," says James Chalmers, a chest physician and adviser to the British Lung Foundation. Previously, his clinic in Scotland would have seen post-infection scarring of the lungs just once or twice a year, he says. "Now we are seeing dozens of patients coming through."

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#2513861 28-Jun-2020 11:30

Surprised yet? "'We opened too quickly': Texas becomes a model for inadequate Covid-19 response"

When Donald Trump welcomed Texas governor Greg Abbott to the White House in May, the US president hailed his fellow Republican as “one of the great governors” and lauded the state’s response to the coronavirus pandemic and predicted boom times ahead.

“When you look at the job he’s done in Texas, I rely on his judgment,” Trump said.

Seven weeks later, as the state once again closes businesses with virus cases skyrocketing and hospitals running out of intensive-care beds, Texas indeed appears to be a model: for how to squander a hopeful position through premature reopening, ignoring inconvenient data and fighting party-political turf wars.

On 7 May, the day of Abbott’s visit to Washington, the state reported 968 new cases among its 29 million residents. Daily numbers have soared this week – to 5,996 on 25 June – prompting doctors in Houston to sound the alarm.

“The harsh truth is that our current infection rate is on pace to overwhelm our hospitals in the very near future,” Lina Hidalgo, the county judge, said at a press conference on Friday. “We opened too quickly.”

It was not her choice. Hidalgo, a Democrat, issued a mandatory mask order in April that was swiftly rendered toothless by Abbott, who said masks were strongly recommended but local authorities could not impose penalties for non-compliance.

Abbott said in the Oval Office that Texas’ phased reopening was based on data-driven strategies that would reduce the spread of the virus and enable the economy to recover. But he was cherry-picking numbers; the statistics did not meet federal criteria for relaxing a lockdown and Texas’ per-capita testing rate is among the worst in the nation.

That same day, Abbott diluted his own authority in order to mollify his conservative base. He eliminated jail as a punishment for violating his coronavirus restrictions, in a response to right-wing outrage over the imprisonment of a Dallas hair salon owner who had illegally reopened, refused to close again and was sentenced to seven days behind bars for contempt of court.

“Abbott tries to play the moderate but in reality he’s almost on a leash with the extreme right,” said Mustafa Tameez, a Houston-based Democratic strategist.

Tameez said that Abbott and Trump have sown confusion through mixed messages. “We’re not going to be able to make policy unless we root it in facts and science,” he said. “We’re not going to be able to make it through this on soundbites and political positioning.”

Read the whole article to see what happens when you involve politics in this fight against a disease that impacts everyday life.

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#2513865 28-Jun-2020 11:34

Given our considerable resources in veterinary and agricultural science I'm surprised we are not in the race on this.

Apart from many vaccine efforts , 100's , there are efforts on antibodies, some synthetic, but there is this using unique capability of Alpaca physiology.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/uk-using-alpaca-antibodies-for-covid-19-research/ar-BB15G8Tj https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/27/alpacas-could-hold-key-neutralising-coronavirus-scientists-say/

While its a treatment , does not convey long term protection on its own , presumably if you are then not where you can be re-infected later you are ok.
So would be applicable to countries that don't have covid to defend their boarder if vaccine efforts hit road bumps, and takes longer.

We do have Alpaca farms here.

Maybe because we don't have anyone with experience researching this and maybe other countries already had efforts targeted at other conditions already ?

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#2513869 28-Jun-2020 11:58

freitasm:

No, the problem you are having is a bad government.

Yep, the place is a mess. But I keep wondering why the mass protests and riots that occurred about one infection and incubation cycle ago don’t get any credit for the increasing numbers?

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

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#2513872 28-Jun-2020 12:14

Dingbatt:

freitasm:

No, the problem you are having is a bad government.

Yep, the place is a mess. But I keep wondering why the mass protests and riots that occurred about one infection and incubation cycle ago don’t get any credit for the increasing numbers?

Because apparently they didn't:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/black-lives-matter-protests-coronavirus-no-surges

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#2513873 28-Jun-2020 12:20

Dingbatt:

Yep, the place is a mess. But I keep wondering why the mass protests and riots that occurred about one infection and incubation cycle ago don’t get any credit for the increasing numbers?

Are you certain the demonstrations did increase the numbers? I don't have any quotes offhand, but I do recall seeing several comments about this as demonstrations were happening. The demonstrators and organisers quoted usually said something to the effect that they felt the importance of the issue outweighed the risk of the virus, but at least some did advise and implement mitigation measures, such as masks and distancing. I think it is difficult to quantify the number of infections that might be attributable to demonstrations, but unlike Trump rallies, they were outdoors where people were moving, which according to the latest information, is much less infectious than being jammed into a room with others screaming in your face. I imagine something of the same applies to rioters.

Again, I don't have quotes, but I would guess that most new infections are not being traced back to demonstrations. I would be interested to know if any have but I suspect sports matches, nightclubs, parties, mass church services and similar events play a much bigger role.

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#2513874 28-Jun-2020 12:21

Fred99:

Because apparently they didn't:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/black-lives-matter-protests-coronavirus-no-surges

And yet from the article you link

“The fact is that we will just never know for sure, because there’s too many moving parts,” Andrew Noymer, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Irvine, told BuzzFeed News.

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#2513876 28-Jun-2020 12:34

Also from the article: But he noted that most of the known superspreader events have taken place at indoor gatherings.

Why cherry-pick just to make the demonstrators look bad? No doubt some infections did come from the demonstrations. But a lot more came from stupid and selfish behaviour of self-centered dicks who insist on pretending nothing has changed.

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#2513877 28-Jun-2020 12:34

Rikkitic:

Are you certain the demonstrations did increase the numbers? I don't have any quotes offhand, but I do recall seeing several comments about this as demonstrations were happening. The demonstrators and organisers quoted usually said something to the effect that they felt the importance of the issue outweighed the risk of the virus, but at least some did advise and implement mitigation measures, such as masks and distancing. I think it is difficult to quantify the number of infections that might be attributable to demonstrations, but unlike Trump rallies, they were outdoors where people were moving, which according to the latest information, is much less infectious than being jammed into a room with others screaming in your face. I imagine something of the same applies to rioters.

Again, I don't have quotes, but I would guess that most new infections are not being traced back to demonstrations. I would be interested to know if any have but I suspect sports matches, nightclubs, parties, mass church services and similar events play a much bigger role.

No I’m not certain at all on the affect mass gatherings around the unrest didn’t cause/not cause any spread, that’s why there was a question mark at the end of the sentence. Authorities pleaded with people not to gather.

But for someone to claim there isn’t any danger is like a knight saying “My cause is righteous, therefore your sword cannot harm me.”

I don’t see the difference between people (some wearing masks) on a Florida beach, and others protesting for their cause (and possibly picking up a flat screen tv along the way) as far as risk goes.

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#2513879 28-Jun-2020 12:57

Rikkitic:

Why cherry-pick just to make the demonstrators look bad?

The protests could have been avoided or at least reduced if denial of facts and blame-shifting wasn't the knee-jerk.

To paraphrase the overall C-19 response "I ignore almost everything the experts tell me - what else do you expect me to do?"

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