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  #2518774 7-Jul-2020 21:19
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Fortunately, they have a wall ...

 

 





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  #2518784 7-Jul-2020 21:52
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The New York Times - Brazil’s president, a noted virus skeptic, says he will be tested after developing symptoms.

 

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President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, who has repeatedly dismissed the danger posed by the coronavirus, said Monday night that he had gone to the hospital for a lung scan and would take a new test for the virus.

 

Mr. Bolsonaro took those steps after developing symptoms of Covid-19, including a fever and abnormal blood oxygen level, according to a report from CNN Brasil.

 

Even as several of his aides tested positive for the virus in recent months, the president often rejected precautions like wearing a mask and social distancing, most recently at a lunch on Saturday hosted by the American ambassador to Brazil to celebrate the Fourth of July. ...

 





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  #2518797 7-Jul-2020 22:27
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The New York Times - Brazil’s president, a noted virus skeptic, says he will be tested after developing symptoms.

 

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President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, who has repeatedly dismissed the danger posed by the coronavirus, said Monday night that he had gone to the hospital for a lung scan and would take a new test for the virus.

 

Mr. Bolsonaro took those steps after developing symptoms of Covid-19, including a fever and abnormal blood oxygen level, according to a report from CNN Brasil.

 

Even as several of his aides tested positive for the virus in recent months, the president often rejected precautions like wearing a mask and social distancing, most recently at a lunch on Saturday hosted by the American ambassador to Brazil to celebrate the Fourth of July. ...

 

 

 

don't worry, Presidents/PMs seem to be immune so far!





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  #2518803 7-Jul-2020 23:01
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Queensland border reopens to interstate residents (excl Victoria) from midday Friday.  Already 185,000 border passes required for entry into Queensland downloaded earlier this morning!

 

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-set-for-border-airport-chaos-amid-rush-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-visitors-c-1151334


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  #2518806 7-Jul-2020 23:12
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Queensland border reopens to interstate residents (excl Victoria) from midday Friday.  Already 185,000 border passes required for entry into Queensland downloaded earlier this morning!

 

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-set-for-border-airport-chaos-amid-rush-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-visitors-c-1151334

 

 

Hundreds of thousands of people fleeing the lock-down area seems like the worst possible outcome.

 

Sounds like what happens in Italy, when news of the lock-down in northern italy leaked, and lots of people fled, spreading the virus further.

 

In my opinion other states should escalate their virus mitigation measures for a couple of weeks as a precaution.

 

And NZ should put any talk of a state by state travel agreement on hold of at least a month.

 

Perhaps we need to Nix talk of a state by state agreement completly, if there are going to be some many permits for state to state travel issued.

 

[edit] - I didn't read the article. Most of those passes are for people coming from safe states into Queensland.

 

 


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  #2518813 8-Jul-2020 00:08
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DS248:

 

Queensland border reopens to interstate residents (excl Victoria) from midday Friday.  Already 185,000 border passes required for entry into Queensland downloaded earlier this morning!

 

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-set-for-border-airport-chaos-amid-rush-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-visitors-c-1151334

 

 

Hundreds of thousands of people fleeing the lock-down area seems like the worst possible outcome.

 

...

 

[edit] - I didn't read the article. Most of those passes are for people coming from safe states into Queensland.

 

 

 

 

Re edit.  As I said, border opening on Friday excludes Victoria (not certain about Queensland residents?). 

 

Already more than 740 people travelling from Victoria since Friday have been refused entry, and 63 who flew in have been placed into mandatory hotel quarantine (will be 14 days at their own expense, so I doubt there will be many in future).  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/hundreds-of-victorian-travellers-refused-entry-to-queensland/12427214

 

Melbourne+ now in lockdown so will be virtually none from there for the next 6 weeks.  

 

Outside the lockdown area, there are about 47 other LGAs in Victoria.  Five of those have 1 active case each.  The others have none, so any QLD residents returning from rural Victoria (if allowed) should be low risk - and presumably face 14 days quarantine anyway?

 

 


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  #2518816 8-Jul-2020 01:01
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And the chief input to the continual criticism of our lockdown was the economic cost. We bore it once, now while we are recovering and rebuilding, elsewhere are commencing March 2020 measures. They threw away 3 months of cost, economy, inconvenience and life. Its 7 July here and 29 March elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

Yes we managed to essentially roll back time with our lockdown, to a time when we were in a precovid country. That can only occur with elimination. 

 

Honestly, everyone now seem to be going about business as though there was never any lockdown, and virus...what virus?

 

Also the housing market is again very strong, with houses selling very easily at the moment for good prices. . 

 

Maybe this will changed if unemployment grows, and I am feeling that as long as noone drops the ball at the borders, we may come out of this well. We maybe affected by a global recession, due to the rest of the world having Covid, but that is largely outside out control. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2518844 8-Jul-2020 06:51
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The New York Times - Brazil’s president, a noted virus skeptic, says he will be tested after developing symptoms.

 

 

Confirmed tested positive! :-) Oups

 

 

 

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  #2518872 8-Jul-2020 07:54
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US officially withdrawing from WHO according to clickbait title, but when you read it says nobody knows if it's true or not

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-withdrawing-world-health-organization/index.html





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  #2518879 8-Jul-2020 08:10
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mattwnz:

 

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Also the housing market is again very strong, with houses selling very easily at the moment for good prices. . 

 

... 

 

 

 

Already showing some hesitation https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/122059791/house-prices-dip-across-country-in-june-with-queenstown-leading-falls

 

I suspect returning Kiwi's (and others not departing) may be helping to keep house prices up for the moment.  A couple of nights ago there was a TV interview with someone recently returned after 14 years in the UK.  Had already bought a house.

 

 


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  #2518886 8-Jul-2020 08:19
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DS248:

 

mattwnz:

 

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Also the housing market is again very strong, with houses selling very easily at the moment for good prices. . 

 

... 

 

 

 

Already showing some hesitation https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/122059791/house-prices-dip-across-country-in-june-with-queenstown-leading-falls

 

I suspect returning Kiwi's (and others not departing) may be helping to keep house prices up for the moment.  A couple of nights ago there was a TV interview with someone recently returned after 14 years in the UK.  Had already bought a house.

 

 

 

 

Ive skimmed the frequent articles on house prices, they range from help they will drop to sweet , going well. Will Kiwis sell a house thats dropped 30k? No, not unless they have to. Thats what we are like. The sales volume will drop, due to that and the uncertainty, that in itself will increase demand in comparison to supply. We are literally out of lockdown now, the worst is over 


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  #2518891 8-Jul-2020 08:28
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/07/property-prices-lockdown-sees-growth-rate-decline-in-13-new-zealand-cities.html

 

This shows up positive, there is still growth, yes its declining but house prices are still rising. QTN down 1.5% is probbaly a win, thats a very small decrease based on the fact that QTN is the hotbed of a tourism based town, yet its only down slightly.


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  #2518900 8-Jul-2020 08:35
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Forbes: It’s Official: Brazil’s President Has The Coronavirus And Market Reverses

Pode correr, mas nao pode esconder. You can run, but you cannot hide.

Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for the new SARS coronavirus, the capital city newspaper, Correio Braziliense reported this afternoon.

Brazil stocks reversed on the news, with the iShares MSCI Brazil ETF reversing all of its gains and down 0.8% just before noon on the NYSE.

CNN Brasil was the first to break the story in Brazil, citing sources close to the government. French magazine Valeurs Actuelles broke it in Europe.

Bolsonaro had a 100 degree fever on Monday, two days after attending a party with U.S. Embassy officials to celebrate the Fourth of July. This is the second time this year that Bolsonaro has been tested for Covid-19, and this time, it caught him.
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  #2518928 8-Jul-2020 08:53
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I just dont understand what the end game was!? Knowing that you got this info from someone inside a health entity what exactly was he trying to prove by releasing it?

 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12346293 

 

Revealed: Disgraced National MP leaked Covid-19 patient data to prove he wasn't racist


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  #2518963 8-Jul-2020 09:23
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US officially withdrawing from WHO according to clickbait title, but when you read it says nobody knows if it's true or not

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-withdrawing-world-health-organization/index.html

 

 

It's apparently true - from NYT:

 

 

“The United States’ notice of withdrawal, effective July 6, 2021, has been submitted to the U.N. secretary general, who is the depository for the W.H.O.,” said a senior administration official.

 

By law, the United States must give the organization a year’s notice if it intends to withdraw, and meet all the current financial obligations in the current year.

 

 

Whether it will actually happen or not - given the year's notice - will be up to US voters.

 

Hopefully they'll be made aware of facts.


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