2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2519163 8-Jul-2020 13:06

Another idiot:

There is one new case of Covid-19, a man in his 30s who arrived in New Zealand from India on July 3.

Health Minister Chris Hipkins says the man left his managed isolation facility and went to Countdown on Victoria St West last night.

Public health officials are conducting interviews to assess the risk, but currently it is deemed low.

The man didn't come into close contact in the hour he was away from the facility, from 7pm to 8pm.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12346479

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#2519166 8-Jul-2020 13:13

How is that even possible? And why did this person think it would be ok to go a supermarket?

Don't people explain to them in simple words, words that a five year old kid could understand?

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GV27

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#2519169 8-Jul-2020 13:16

freitasm:

How is that even possible? And why this person thought it would be ok to go a supermarket?

Don't people explain to them in simple words, words that a five year old kid could understand?

Snuck through a fence, apparently.

Being charged for doing so willingly.

Makes you wonder a) how often this happens and doesn't get caught and b) how much are we riding our luck until one of these morons manages to infect someone in the community.

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#2519170 8-Jul-2020 13:16

freitasm:

How is that even possible? And why this person thought it would be ok to go a supermarket?

Don't people explain to them in simple words, words that a five year old kid could understand?

Selfish entitled idiots

Fred99

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#2519213 8-Jul-2020 13:30

A few snippets from the live update on Stuff:

Around 6.50pm the man escaped through a fenced area at the Stamford Plaza when he was out smoking, as a section of external fencing was being replaced. Security attempted to follow the man but were unsuccessful in locating him.

Police were called immediately, and enquiries were underway to locate the man including reviewing CCTV footage and undertaking substantial area searches, before he returned to the facility where he was then interviewed by Police.

They can't physically restrain someone from leaving.

There's nothing stopping them putting police on site now, but they need to determine what's most effective.

Under Section 26 of the Covid act, he'll face charges. It holds a 6 month imprisonment or $4000 fine.

KrazyKid

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#2519214 8-Jul-2020 13:31

GV27:

Another idiot:

There is one new case of Covid-19, a man in his 30s .... who snuck out and went shopping for a a local supermaket

It's idiots like this that mean we have to confine people to their rooms for 2 weeks like in Australia.

2 in recent weeks proves the case.

It sucks for most of the 99.99% of kiwi's returning home who are honest and doing the right thing, but that is just the way it is.

mattwnz

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#2519321 8-Jul-2020 14:07

Wasn't the whole reason for moving to managed isolation and quarantine, that there would be guards on the doors preventing people exiting, and making sure they were confined to their rooms to prevent them spreading the virus to anyone else, including other passengers?.If any of these people have the virus, then the number one defense is starving that virus for 14 days. Previously we were putting trust in NZers to do this via self isolation, which was a failure, because some didn't, and the virus got out into the community. So we couldn't trust people to do this.

Yes this person broke the law, but didn't those people who previously breached self isolation also break the law? 4k fine also sounds like a slap with a wet bus ticket compared to 6 months jail. I wouldn't have thought there was the ability to break the law. We can't trust billions of dollars of our economy on these selfish people who are coming back in who don't follow the rules.

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#2519323 8-Jul-2020 14:08

How selfish and entitled can someone be? No doubt this will affect every person currently in isolation who is following the rules and take away what little time outside of their rooms they currently get. It will probably affect the Police as well, with them needing to spend more time at isolation facilities to help enforce the rules.

I really hope he spends some time in prison to reflect on what he's done.

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#2519327 8-Jul-2020 14:14

meesham:

How selfish and entitled can someone be? No doubt this will affect every person currently in isolation who is following the rules and take away what little time outside of their rooms they currently get. It will probably affect the Police as well, with them needing to spend more time at isolation facilities to help enforce the rules.

I really hope he spends some time in prison to reflect on what he's done.

IMO it shouldn't affect anyone else,because IMO protocols should have been in place to prevent this risk. IMO why are we relying on trust to keep people in hotels, as trust is likely to be abused, like it was with self isolation?. Managed isolation was supposed to be the answer to prevent breaching in trust. I just can't believe there weren't staff at the entrance. They aren't prisons, but that doesn't mean that entrances shouldn't be staffed.

Also the media saying the person 'escaped' has negative connotations, especially as managed isolation is not prison., The wording should be placing the responsibility on the person that broke the law.

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#2519330 8-Jul-2020 14:24

If he has dual citizenship I'd put him on the next flight back to India.

meesham

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#2519332 8-Jul-2020 14:25

mattwnz:

IMO it shouldn't affect anyone else,because IMO protocols should have been in place to prevent this. IMO why are we relying on trust to keep people in hotels, as trust is likely to be abused, like it was with self isolation?. Managed isolation was supposed to be the answer to prevent breaching in trust. I just can't believe there weren't staff at the entrance. They aren't prisons, but that doesn't mean that entrances shouldn't be staffed.

Also the media saying the person 'escaped' has negative connotations, especially as managed isolation is not prison., The wording should be placing the responsibility on the person that broke the law.

Did you read about how he left the facility? He didn't leave through the entrance, he snuck out while new fencing was being put in place. A security guard did see him and weren't sure if he was a worker or in isolation, but they don't have the power to detain people regardless and had to call the Police, which is why I mentioned them.

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#2519333 8-Jul-2020 14:27

meesham:

How selfish and entitled can someone be? No doubt this will affect every person currently in isolation who is following the rules and take away what little time outside of their rooms they currently get. It will probably affect the Police as well, with them needing to spend more time at isolation facilities to help enforce the rules.

I really hope he spends some time in prison to reflect on what he's done.

He deserves prison time for sure. He really deserves to be slammed.

It will make circumstances tougher for other 'normal' people who are behaving themselves in isolation. Unfortunately out of any group of people, there are always some who do what the hell they want. We were lucky at the time of our lockdown that the idiots that broke the rules then weren't actually carry any viruses though.

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#2519334 8-Jul-2020 14:29

Covid vocabulary builder app , word of the day is:

Feckless... Adjective.
Meanings 1/: Weak, Ineffective
2/: Worthless, Irresponsible

Smoking, he was able to loiter near the fence to then spot a weakness as its the smoking area, which is why there was access.
Smoking is a major risk factor for Covid, so maybe no smoking you get nicotine patches , like in prisons.
It might even assist spread of droplets & aerosolisation

This is also why you need to limit incoming flights, limited Hotels and locations that can be secure enough.
To the certain parties who complained loudly about these limits when announced, this is why.
Fences, security , areas with camera coverage so you can monitor breaches, and the whole apparatus that has to go with that.

With more capacity Australia has a lot of 501's queued up, something to consider.

Penalties, I'm for fixed instant fines, the length of court process seems to embolden some, plus courts rarely give maximums.

Better would be Airlines taking a travel bond, when they take the airfare booking, refunded upon good behavior on exit.
It may also fix some of the incoming flight numbers until we have reliable instant tests, antibody treatments, etc.

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#2519335 8-Jul-2020 14:29

The day's of high trust isolation should be well over. Given how many Billions of dollars are at stake, I am shocked it is not.

We need to do like Aussie. You are not locked in your hotel room, but is you leave it without permission you will be immediate arrested (and I assume relocated to a secure facility).

No smoking in isolation in Aussie, but they will provide free nicotine replacement therapy to help with nicotine withdrawal.

Here is the info page for Tassie.

https://coronavirus.tas.gov.au/keeping-yourself-safe/quarantine/help-for-people-in-quarantine-who-smoke

mattwnz

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#2519336 8-Jul-2020 14:30

meesham:

mattwnz:

IMO it shouldn't affect anyone else,because IMO protocols should have been in place to prevent this. IMO why are we relying on trust to keep people in hotels, as trust is likely to be abused, like it was with self isolation?. Managed isolation was supposed to be the answer to prevent breaching in trust. I just can't believe there weren't staff at the entrance. They aren't prisons, but that doesn't mean that entrances shouldn't be staffed.

Also the media saying the person 'escaped' has negative connotations, especially as managed isolation is not prison., The wording should be placing the responsibility on the person that broke the law.

Did you read about how he left the facility? He didn't leave through the entrance, he snuck out while new fencing was being put in place. A security guard did see him and weren't sure if he was a worker or in isolation, but they don't have the power to detain people regardless and had to call the Police, which is why I mentioned them.

I watched the 1pm press conference on it. How did they get to the edge of the fence to then get through it, as they must have gone through the entrance.If they were out there smoking, the why weren't they being monitored and head counted as they went out? Shows a problem with the protocols IMO if they couldn't even tell if they were a worker or not. Although I would expect most workers would be wearing flouros. I thought that our military was now onsite at managed isolation facilities to control and manage things, and they do have military police. I would expect them to be very regimented and strict. With anything, some people will try to work their way around the rules and find loopholes. So any loopholes need closing.

Australias quarantine hotels seem a lot more strict than NZs, and people don't appear to be able to leave their rooms. But they are attributing a major part of the Victoria outbreak to these hotels and failures in protocols around some of the guards. I think NZ has been lucky so far that these breaches of the border haven't led to cases. We don't know how many people my have left in a similar way, and then snuck back in again. They did say that they are putting in better and more secure fencing .

I heard at the 1pm press conference, a reporter mentioning peoples mental health and being confined to the rooms may cause people to behave irrationally. This is possibly true, which IMO is why we can't afford to put trust in people when it comes to the health of 5 million NZer and the billions of dollars at stake.Already that store had to close for cleaning, would have cost it a lot of money.

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