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  #2519431 8-Jul-2020 16:53
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mattwnz:

 

This is why people should still be washing their hands etc, even though there isn't much education now about the need to continue to do this. I thought it was interesting that the minister of health was discussing the Covid app today, and had stats, and how people aren't using it. Apparently here have only been about a million scans of codes, which is tiny, considering there have been 500k downloads. Isn't that because there has been little commuiniction out there about the need to use it? My parents tried to use it and it didn't work, as it didn't accept the QR code.  Now is the time to make sure these systems are fully working and in use IMO, as we could be living with this covid threat getting into NZ for years.

 

 

@mattwnz I maybe wrong but isn't use of the MoH bar code still voluntary i.e. there is no obligation for businesses to display it?

 

If that is still the case someone should tell Minister Hipkins as I got the impression he doesn't know that as it doesn't matter how keen I am if its not displayed

 

 

 

 


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  #2519435 8-Jul-2020 17:02
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I maybe wrong but isn't use of the MoH bar code still voluntary i.e. there is no obligation for businesses to display it?

 

If that is still the case someone should tell Minister Hipkins as I got the impression he doesn't know that as it doesn't matter how keen I am if its not displayed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you are right, and shops are no longer required to record details of visitors. I suspect the Minister knows this, but still wants businesses to have the QR codes up. But they need to send that message out there with advertising. IMO it makes sense for businesses to have these up, and people still recording their daily activities, incase we do end up with cases in the community as we need to be proactive. It is likely we will see new cases in the community that have got through the border somehow . Contact tracing is then essential.


 
 
 
 


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  #2519440 8-Jul-2020 17:09
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After destroying mask display, accuses police of antisemitism during arrest. Not so coincidentally she's a Qanon supporter.

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  #2519447 8-Jul-2020 17:46
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Scotdownunder:

 

Some of our commentators miss the point that the unauthorised exit was possible because taller fences were being installed to stop the type of ‘jump the fence’ issue of the earlier absconder.  Yes its a process of catch up but that has to be accepted as part of an ‘as humane as possible’ isolation policy.  We are not building concentration camps after all.  Pretty sad reflection on some self-entitled Kiwis that it comes to this.

 

 

100% We could have taser equipped guards at every door, but where do we draw the line? Id like to know:

 

a) can we just arrest everyone and fine them to the hilt or jail them? 

 

b) can we justify a prison system where they are locked away?

 

They aren't criminals, do we or can we treat them as maximum security? Can we lock em up and throw away the key for 14 days?


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  #2519450 8-Jul-2020 17:50
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xlinknz:

 

I may be wrong but isn't use of the MoH bar code still voluntary i.e. there is no obligation for businesses to display it?

 

If that is still the case someone should tell Minister Hipkins as I got the impression he doesn't know that as it doesn't matter how keen I am if its not displayed

 

 

I loaded the MoH app on my phone the second or third day after it was released, so an eraly adopter.
In the provincial centre where I live, there was not a single place displaying the MoH QR code, so I never used the app.

 

Then one day I went to the Library, and, wonder of wonders ... an MoH QR code
So I whipped out the phone, started the app, pointed it at the QR code and ... it told me I needed to log in again.
Of course the password isn't in the phone, so I sighed and walked past.

 

When I went home, I logged in with the user ID & password kept in my password store.
"No you got it wrong. Computer says 'No'"
OK, send me a password reset then. "Password reset sent to <correct email address>". Check email, nothing. Wait 5 minutes, still nothing. Hmm. Login to webmail, check Spam folder, it's empty.
Repeat. Same nothing.

 

Delete MoH Covid app off phone
Just a waste of space, memory & CPU cycles

 

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  #2519452 8-Jul-2020 17:52
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I think a difficulty here is that there virus is not in the community. The public take the road of less resistance, so in the community it's over. Not saying thats right, but its reality. And the risk is actually that low as well


 
 
 
 


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  #2519459 8-Jul-2020 18:14
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PolicyGuy:

 

I loaded the MoH app on my phone the second or third day after it was released, so an eraly adopter.
In the provincial centre where I live, there was not a single place displaying the MoH QR code, so I never used the app.

 

Of course the password isn't in the phone, so I sighed and walked past.

 

 

Everyone that got it before the first update struck this. Token issue after 30 days. First stopped it scanning, then wouldn't login

 

But those who could remember PW updated to the most recent patched ver and logged back in were all good :) (had already wiped history by the time the fix was public :/ )


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  #2519464 8-Jul-2020 18:23
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They aren't criminals, do we or can we treat them as maximum security? Can we lock em up and throw away the key for 14 days?

 

 

As per the Minster today, the guy broke the law when the went through the fence, and essentially breached the NZ border, putting NZers at risk. This was unacceptable.

 

Traditionally quarantine compounds do have security around them from my understanding, to prevent breaches. They don't need to be 'maximum' security with barbed wire etc. But it needs to be enough to stop someone being able to easily exit to go down to the shops,  who doesn't want to play by the rules that 5 million other NZers played by eg 7 weeks in lockdown.. Putting up any fencing indicates this, and the fact that they were improving the fencing so it is more robust and less easy to breech, at the same e time this breech occurred, shows that they already knew the fencing wasn't good enough.


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  #2519469 8-Jul-2020 18:33
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mattwnz:

 

tdgeek:

 

They aren't criminals, do we or can we treat them as maximum security? Can we lock em up and throw away the key for 14 days?

 

 

As per the Minster today, the guy broke the law when the went through the fence, and essentially breached the NZ border, putting NZers at risk. This was unacceptable.

 

Traditionally quarantine compounds do have security around them from my understanding, to prevent breaches. They don't need to be 'maximum' security with barbed wire etc. But it needs to be enough to stop someone being able to easily exit to go down to the shops,  who doesn't want to play by the rules that 5 million other NZers played by eg 7 weeks in lockdown.. Putting up any fencing indicates this, and the fact that they were improving the fencing so it is more robust and less easy to breech, at the same e time this breech occurred, shows that they already knew the fencing wasn't good enough.

 

 

Hard to know. Its easy to keep honest people out of your house, shut the gate. These are honest people, not rapists and murders, its a bit sad that we need rapist and murderer security. Police not security guards. So we have stacks of Police guarding non criminals? Seems so.Id like to know what passengers are told. Is it passive, or is it "DON"T". Maybe we keep it simple and no one is allowed outside, thats just one guard at each door. Front door, back door, fire escape door, cheap and easy. 


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  #2519482 8-Jul-2020 19:16
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Hard to know. Its easy to keep honest people out of your house, shut the gate. These are honest people, not rapists and murders, its a bit sad that we need rapist and murderer security. Police not security guards. So we have stacks of Police guarding non criminals? Seems so.Id like to know what passengers are told. Is it passive, or is it "DON"T". Maybe we keep it simple and no one is allowed outside, thats just one guard at each door. Front door, back door, fire escape door, cheap and easy. 

 

 

It's not helped when TVNZ refers to them as an 'escapee' on the news. They are not prisoners, and these hotels are hardly prisons.

 

I used to live next door to a maximum security prison and these hotels are far from anything close to that.Some are pretty bleak. 

 

For many, it is a 14 day break in a comfortable hotel, paid for by you and me from our taxes, where they can relax and catch up with watching movies, read, or do online courses etc.

 

The problem could  also be our laws, if only police can enforce things, and physically stop people from walking out of quarantine. But if all these people coming into NZ played by the rules, then there shouldn't be any need for any police. But the problem is we are alway going to have a small number of 'bad actors'


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  #2519486 8-Jul-2020 19:28
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mattwnz:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Hard to know. Its easy to keep honest people out of your house, shut the gate. These are honest people, not rapists and murders, its a bit sad that we need rapist and murderer security. Police not security guards. So we have stacks of Police guarding non criminals? Seems so.Id like to know what passengers are told. Is it passive, or is it "DON"T". Maybe we keep it simple and no one is allowed outside, thats just one guard at each door. Front door, back door, fire escape door, cheap and easy. 

 

 

It's not helped when TVNZ refers to them as an 'escapee' on the news. They are not prisoners, and these hotels are hardly prisons.

 

I used to live next door to a maximum security prison and these hotels are far from anything close to that.Some are pretty bleak. 

 

For many, it is a 14 day break in a comfortable hotel, paid for by you and me from our taxes, where they can relax and catch up with watching movies, read, or do online courses etc.

 

The problem could  also be our laws, if only police can enforce things, and physically stop people from walking out of quarantine. But if all these people coming into NZ played by the rules, then there shouldn't be any need for any police. But the problem is we are alway going to have a small number of 'bad actors'

 

 

So do we accept bad actors? I can't see that we can avoid them unless we treat everyone as bad. To catch the 1 in 100, patrol the 100


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  #2519487 8-Jul-2020 19:28
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mattwnz:

 

It's not helped when TVNZ refers to them as an 'escapee' on the news. They are not prisoners, and these hotels are hardly prisons.

 

I used to live next door to a maximum security prison and these hotels are far from anything close to that.Some are pretty bleak. 

 

For many, it is a 14 day break in a comfortable hotel, paid for by you and me from our taxes, where they can relax and catch up with watching movies, read, or do online courses etc.

 

The problem could  also be our laws, if only police can enforce things, and physically stop people from walking out of quarantine. But if all these people coming into NZ played by the rules, then there shouldn't be any need for any police. But the problem is we are alway going to have a small number of 'bad actors'

 

 

@mattwnz It is becoming apparent the issue is the security guards did not know for certain the "escapee" was someone in isolation, I'd like to think if they did they would have spoken to him and if he persisted in absconding they would have alerted police sooner

 

Howabout all those in isolation have a gps ankle/wrist bracelet similar to those used by corrections and the authorities are alerted as soon as the absconder leaves the premises or alternatively...they have an arm band with the MoH Covid Tracer logo on it which is required to be worn when not in your room with a penalty if you don't LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2519617 8-Jul-2020 20:46
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Arrest him.

Quick trial and sentenced to _prison_ might change the impression of quarantine people that this isnt a big issue..

Blew 2 weeks in a hotel for 3 months in prison might just be the very sharp shock needed.

Some of the powers the state had with TB quarantine last century were scarey...

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  #2519684 8-Jul-2020 20:56
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My thoughts and prayers go out to Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro.

My thought is his machismo has killed ten of thousands of Brazilians.

I'm praying that his coronavirus infection does a Brazilan samba on his body, and plays his lungs like a pair of Maracabasa.

How Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro downplayed coronavirus before, and after, he contracted it

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