2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2520138 9-Jul-2020 15:22

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Wander4821: Seems that some people returning to NZ just arbitrarily decided to break the quarantine rules and go out shopping, putting others at risk. Can be relieved that so far no one has fallen ill as yet.

and seemingly no remorse from that man .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/covid-19-supermarket-absconder-speaks-out-questions-health-ministry-s-version-of-events.html

Unfortunate that we have to now expect the worst behavior from some of those in quarantine .
perhaps a shock to the system is needed (jail time) in order to convince others to comply 100% .

He said MoH statement was incorrect but would not state his version. He will be charged. Lets start with 2 weeks in jail which starts on facility release day. he will be screaming at the media . Although he gets summonsed to court once released so lets do that on release day

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#2520142 9-Jul-2020 15:31

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He said MoH statement was incorrect but would not state his version. He will be charged. Lets start with 2 weeks in jail which starts on facility release day. he will be screaming at the media . Although he gets summonsed to court once released so lets do that on release day

Should be a month and in isolation where he gets out of his cell for an hour a day for exercise. Think thats harsh I don't think so he knew what he was doing by escaping out of the hotel.

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#2520158 9-Jul-2020 15:34

1101:

Wander4821: Seems that some people returning to NZ just arbitrarily decided to break the quarantine rules and go out shopping, putting others at risk. Can be relieved that so far no one has fallen ill as yet.

and seemingly no remorse from that man .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/covid-19-supermarket-absconder-speaks-out-questions-health-ministry-s-version-of-events.html

Unfortunate that we have to now expect the worst behavior from some of those in quarantine .
perhaps a shock to the system is needed (jail time) in order to convince others to comply 100% .

Hilarious when he questions "their version of events" - even though most of it is on CCTV

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#2520162 9-Jul-2020 15:38

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mattwnz:

New Zealands testing rate is still very low, despite being called out by the Minster earlier this week. . Yesterday about 3000 tests, which would also include those in hotels. I wish they would either exclude those, as they are outside the border tests. Or break them down into border tests, and community tests. We obviously reduce the chance of picking up any possible community tests, if we aren't doing much community testing.

If there are 6000 in quarantine they get tested twice. On average 400+ add and leave the facilities daily, and there would be 400 Day 3 tests and 400 day 12 tests on average, so we must be testing well over 2000 daily in the community, including doctor referrals and sentinel.

I think the minister wants over 5000 tests a day. Although it was 3000 yesterday, the day before it appears it was only about 2000, the the day before 1600, then the day before about 1000.

2000 a day with a population of 5 million is tiny, especially when there is a risk of workers in quarantine areas taking it home to family. As well as there being the risk of outlier cases that develop after 14 days.

Testing is really the only way to know if we have it in our community, especially as they aren't 100% accurate. So it is false economy not to do as much testing as we can. The number of people who have cold symptoms at the moment must be quite large due to the season, and I doubt all have been tested.

I wonder if it has anything to do with some doctors charging for consultations and tests when they shouldn't have been. So if one goes in with cold symptoms and they don't order a test, do they still charge for a consultation?

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#2520163 9-Jul-2020 15:39

Since there will always be dicks, there' s no shortage of these to discourage breaking quarantine...

Think of it as a tropical island vacation

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#2520172 9-Jul-2020 15:58

kingdragonfly: Since there will always be dicks, there' s no shortage of these to discourage breaking quarantine...

Think of it as a tropical island vacation

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#2520173 9-Jul-2020 15:59

Wellington harbor.

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#2520175 9-Jul-2020 15:59

Washington Post: Everything Americans need to know about the E.U. travel ban

...Why are Americans banned from E.U. countries?

The United States has too many coronavirus cases. On March 17, the E.U. closed its external borders and restricted nonessential travel in response to the covid-19 outbreak. On June 11, the E.U. gradually began lifting its restrictions, and on July 1, it allowed international arrivals from some countries. They included Canada, Japan and New Zealand — but not the United States.

What’s meant by “too many” cases?

The number of cases has to be close to or below the E.U. average as of June 15. The European average is about 15 per 100,000 people over the past two weeks. The U.S. average is about 145 cases per 100,000 people over the same period. “We are hot in a bad way,” says Ed Daly, editor of WorldAware’s global intelligence division....

When will the ban end?

When the United States has the coronavirus under control or can negotiate an exception to the E.U. ban — whichever comes first....

If I can’t travel to Europe, will I get a refund for my plane ticket?

No...

Are there exceptions to the E.U. ban?

There are. Besides people with permanent-resident status, the ban doesn’t apply to health-care professionals, seasonal workers in agriculture, diplomats, passengers traveling for family reasons and passengers in transit....

Should I cancel my summer vacation to Europe?

The odds of the ban ending soon are remote...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/everything-americans-need-to-know-about-the-eu-travel-ban/2020/07/08/8fea554e-bc89-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

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#2520181 9-Jul-2020 16:08

Ah - Matiu/Somes Island

"Its use as a quarantine facility began with the arrival of the England in 1872, carrying several passengers with smallpox. Passengers and crew were quartered in makeshift accommodation. On other occasions, new arrivals would spend ten minutes in a smokehouse of chlorine, potassium nitrate and sulphur fumes for de-lousing"

I wonder if those three chemicals would be effective against C-19 ? Oh pity really. I have been in a RNZAF tear gas chamber without mask - horrific to say the least. I wonder if it has UFB?

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#2520185 9-Jul-2020 16:30

FineWine:

Ah - Matiu/Somes Island

"Its use as a quarantine facility began with the arrival of the England in 1872, carrying several passengers with smallpox. Passengers and crew were quartered in makeshift accommodation. On other occasions, new arrivals would spend ten minutes in a smokehouse of chlorine, potassium nitrate and sulphur fumes for de-lousing"

I wonder if those three chemicals would be effective against C-19 ? Oh pity really. I have been in a RNZAF tear gas chamber without mask - horrific to say the least. I wonder if it has UFB?

I am guessing it won't be as comfortable as a hotel. Also guessing no wifi or fibre!

But shows why an island quarantine is a good idea. No fences needed too. Keeps people both in and out, and allows people to go outside and exercise without risk of interacting with the community.
I think it is now being used by DOC.

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#2520186 9-Jul-2020 16:36

Pakatoa Island is for sale - has accommodation and a golf course.

Why don't the Govt stump up the $40M to buy it and use it as a quarantine island and make returnees pay for their own stay at a nominal sum to recoup a little of the cost?

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#2520189 9-Jul-2020 16:40

Trump said 99% of coronavirus cases are harmless, which is wrong. Here are the actual numbers.

Washington Post

As the U.S. approaches 3 million cases of covid-19, The Post's Lenny Bernstein talks about what we know about the virus and why it is incredibly harmful to some patients

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#2520191 9-Jul-2020 16:40

mattwnz:

I am guessing it won't be as comfortable as a hotel. Also guessing no wifi or fibre!

But shows why an island quarantine is a good idea. No fences needed too. Keeps people both in and out, and allows people to go outside and exercise without risk of interacting with the community.
I think it is now being used by DOC.

Its only problem is that there are just 2 houses for accommodation (8 bunks each), and a campsite...

https://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/book-online/sites/book-online-matiusomes/

.. its definitely a few steps down the qualmark scale from what they get now...

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#2520193 9-Jul-2020 16:41

Handsomedan:

Pakatoa Island is for sale - has accommodation and a golf course.

Why don't the Govt stump up the $40M to buy it and use it as a quarantine island and make returnees pay for their own stay at a nominal sum to recoup a little of the cost?

I also heard discussion on the radio interviewing the minister, as to whether people why are born here and are permanent residents returning should pay. Ccompared to those that have gained residency, but were born overseas, and have dual residency with another country. There has also been talk of some form of loan system.

In some ways I don't think it is fair for some people to pay. But if they don't then we all pay for it in our taxes.

In Australia they are more ruthless and will just charge people with the stay. Simple and blunt. But luckily we aren't Australia.

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#2520197 9-Jul-2020 16:48

With these various islands as quarantine centres, Matiu/Somes Island, Pakatoa Island, I start to think of the movie Papillon. Even though these islands don't have watch towers, armed guards, swamps with croc's & savage biting insects and it would only be for 14 days, there will still be idiots who would attempt escape by swimming for it just for the notoriety of it all.

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