2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2522089 13-Jul-2020 13:46

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Does anyone have a problem with this? - https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/american-pathologist-moves-nz-avoid-trumps-disaster

While she has a job offer, and is considered "essential", the family are from the most virus ridden country on the planet. How essential is questionable at the moment, as we have a very limited number of dead Covid patients, and let's hope it stays that way.

n't mentioned an elephant in the room, but it really does make one wonder who gets to call the shots, on what basis those shots are called, and whether this is actually a common occurrence?

I'll be very interested in the opinion of others, as from where I sit this doesn't seem quite right.

No problem at all , im pretty sure the hospital spent months looking for one, the family are in 14 day Quarantine so who cares where they came from and im pretty sure Forensic Pathologists dont grow on trees and they are essential and for Wellington to get one with as much experience as her is just amazing and i bet they are still delighted she accepted and yes the Covid 19 outbreak is the only reason she is here and im also not sure what you mean when you say how essential when we have only a few dead covid patients, You do know what a Forensic Pathologist does.

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#2522094 13-Jul-2020 14:00

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The woman who absconded from managed isolation in Auckland by jumping two fences has been named as Suzanne Marie Derrett.

The 43-year-old arrived in New Zealand from Brisbane on June 27 and had been staying at the Pullman Hotel in the CBD.

She's also the same person reportedly being sought by Australian health authorities in April:

Well guess that's a can of worms they'll be scrambling to pickup

2 Border passing with a police concerns flag and presumably nothing raised until caught doing bad (or would have been on the radar for more scrutiny you would hope)

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#2522097 13-Jul-2020 14:10

Fred99:

Fauci:

“If you look anecdotally there is no question that there are a considerable number of individuals who have a post-viral syndrome that really in many respects can incapacitate them for weeks and weeks following so-called recovery and clearing of the virus….you can see people who’ve recovered who really do not get back to normal that they have things that are highly suggestive of myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome. Brain fog, fatigue, and difficulty in concentrating so this is something we really need to seriously look at because it very well might be a post-viral syndrome associated with covid-19.”

Maybe it will now result into a lot more research into these conditions, as they hardly get any funding.

The economic cost could be massive if a significant number of people get long lasting conditions. Another reason to eliminate the virus, and not to just suppress / live with it / herd immunity.

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#2522109 13-Jul-2020 14:35

Melbourne seems to have hit problems with anti testing CT spreading locally, increasing problems with people refusing testing.
Origin is Facebook and Instagram etc.
"scaremongering and false information — some of it clearly written in America because they use terms like Q-tips"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-07-13/coronavirus-pcr-test-conspiracy-theories-spreading-social-media/12443324

Testing less seems to have become a global movement to sabotage response to CV19.

They have had first day below 200 cases ( 177 ) , and hopefully this is the start of rapid drop as lock down takes effect.

Japan is getting the wobbles, after they ended emergency measures in May, the slow rise in cases started and now accelerating.
Still at very low level for the large population, though as the curve is getting steeper that can change rapidly.
With a public prepared with regular disaster planning , used to wearing masks and a strong community responsibility they have more tools than most to pull things back. Even with inherent issues of high population density.
Daily new cases graph does not have a good look.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

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#2522157 13-Jul-2020 14:50

This was likely already on the cards.

Australia's national carrier has pulled all international inventory up to March 28 next year, bar NZ, Qantas today confirmed to nine.com.au.

That's staff, offices and aircraft sitting idle overseas waiting to fly. 100 Mothballed to the desert until 2023

https://www.9news.com.au/national/qantas-cancels-all-international-inventory-precursor-to-flights-until-march-2021/c37b1a4b-88ef-4fd9-ac08-ecc90a34f890

We need another week to see how Melbourne/Vic fares. Like here that 2 week lag may still spike yet.

Reading between the lines they are on equivalent of lvl2. No large gatherings and distancing.

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#2522160 13-Jul-2020 14:54

Covid has sadly hit my relatives in the US.... I knew this would be a matter of time

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#2522200 13-Jul-2020 14:56

nztim:

Covid has sadly hit my relatives in the US.... I knew this would be a matter of time

Sorry to hear to you have been personally involved.

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#2522201 13-Jul-2020 14:56

ezbee:

Japan is getting the wobbles, after they ended emergency measures in May, the slow rise in cases started and now accelerating.
Still at very low level for the large population, though as the curve is getting steeper that can change rapidly.
With a public prepared with regular disaster planning , used to wearing masks and a strong community responsibility they have more tools than most to pull things back. Even with inherent issues of high population density.
Daily new cases graph does not have a good look.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

Edit, Tidy up

You can definitely see that upwards trend occurring in Japan, and is definitely a worry. If any country could eliminate the virus, I would have thought it would be Japan. Population density and apartment living do seem to have quite a big effect with this virus. Some were referring to some apartment complexes as cruise ships on the land. The economic cost to get it back down can be large, as they are seeing in Victoria. They don't think too many businesses will be able to cope with this second lockdown.

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#2522204 13-Jul-2020 15:10

vexxxboy:

You do know what a Forensic Pathologist does.

Yes - just spent 6 months waiting for a report on how/why my father died 6 months ago immediately following a failed operation.

I guess my point is - even if she is more important than the family I referenced, why is her family considered more important than them?

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#2522222 13-Jul-2020 15:39

LookingUp:

the family are from the most virus ridden country on the planet.

You're painting with a very broad brush there. Whilst the USA does have the most cases of covid-19 of any country, it's also a very large country geographically and numerically. There are still a few countries which have more per capita cases and deaths. If the woman was arriving from Hawaii or Alaska, there's very little risk. If from Houston, or the eastern seaboard, it's an entirely different matter.

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#2522235 13-Jul-2020 15:48

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Handle9:

I'm not sure what your complaint is. Should the media only tell stories that support the governments actions?

Nothing to do with that.

My complain is that the law is clear on who is eligible to enter the country. People on work visa are not in the same category as permanent residents or citizens. Visas still exist and don't automatically give you entrance as the border officer still can deny you entry. In the current situation visa holder don't even get to get on the plane anymore. And the media keeps pumping those sob stories about people who can't get into the country.

Well, they can't because the borders are closed. The mainstream media will keep pushing sob stories because that sells pageviews but at some point a politician or another will start making noise... Remember up unitl recently someone or another kept pushing a "bubble with Australia".

Until things are clear in terms of health status for at least some countries there is no reason for anyone to keep pushing sob stories into the papers.

Sure, they may have a position in mentioning these cases - they are not even odd case as there are probably thousands of work visa holders who can't enter the country now, and thousands who will have to leave the country (as per my link above, which as I mentioned hasn't been seem by the media otherwise we would have seen headlines like "Thousands to be expelled from New Zealand" instead of "Thousands expected to leave the country."

So, no they don't have to tell stories that support the government actions only, but finding the odd case to make it a "oh, look at this family, what is happening to them because they can't come in" and making it look like it's a government decision because for some reason the government don't want them when in fact it's a government decision to keep whoever is already in healthy. Unless the family wanted to come here as refugees, which is not the case.

Back to your question, I don't know why you think I would have implied "Should the media only tell stories that support the governments (sic) actions" when I did no such thing.

The law may be clear but is it just? There is plenty of reporting about other laws that are unfair and that isn't being complained about very much.

These stories seem in the public interest as they talk about the consequences of the current laws. Not all of those consequences are positive and they should be highlighted otherwise we have governments (of all types) and the bureaucracy running off to do all sorts of mad things.

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#2522258 13-Jul-2020 16:29

freitasm:

"COVID-19: Woman who escaped Auckland isolation named in court"

Naming "covidiots" might be a good deterrent, but it seems likely that there's more to that story. If you're detaining people - even though the circumstances are reasonable - then I'd hope that there are support services capable of looking after the needs of people who are vulnerable for some reason.

Disappearing "out of character" after leaving a health facility in Aus, and missing for 16 days suggests that there's a lot more than "disobedience / breaking rules" going on, so I hope they didn't tick a few check boxes here to say she was OK. I guess she probably isn't, and whatever the problem may be - it might not be something she'd want to disclose in court.

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#2522260 13-Jul-2020 16:31

Handle9:

The law may be clear but is it just? There is plenty of reporting about other laws that are unfair and that isn't being complained about very much.

These stories seem in the public interest as they talk about the consequences of the current laws. Not all of those consequences are positive and they should be highlighted otherwise we have governments (of all types) and the bureaucracy running off to do all sorts of mad things.

Immigration law hasn't change in this specific area, has it? If you have an expired visa or if you have a visa that depends on a specific job/position then you must leave the country before the visa expires otherwise you are deemed an overstayer.

Due to COVID-19 existing visas were automatically extended - there was a date limit for this, after which existing visas would no longer be extended.

Also, even if you have a visa you are not automatically granted entry in the country - this was even before COVID-19.

So if it doesn't substantially change how visas work, what's wrong with that?

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#2522305 13-Jul-2020 16:47

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immunocompromised teen dies of covid in Florida

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/carsyn-davis-death-covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-1025235/

Having looked after cancer children I very much sympathise with the teen who passed away. However I have no sympathy for the mother. I have been involved in the family dynamics of medical staff vs family with the child in the middle and their voice being drowned out by the parent who believes knows best for their child and never stopping to ask what the child feels or wants. When you throw religion plus snake oils into these dynamics it is always the child who looses. ☹️

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#2522308 13-Jul-2020 16:51

freitasm:

Immigration law hasn't change in this specific area, has it? If you have an expired visa or if you have a visa that depends on a specific job/position then you must leave the country before the visa expires otherwise you are deemed an overstayer.

Due to COVID-19 existing visas were automatically extended - there was a date limit for this, after which existing visas would no longer be extended.

Also, even if you have a visa you are not automatically granted entry in the country - this was even before COVID-19.

So if it doesn't substantially change how visas work, what's wrong with that?

Are you seriously claiming that government hasn't substantially changed the way the visas work? Denying entry to every visa holder isn't a substantial change in your eyes? You said:

One, a couple currently in a their country (not their original country) who went over for a holiday and couldn't come back as they have work visas. The alternative is to go back to the UK. They claim to not have anything there since they moved to New Zealand a few years back, for work.

This is a fundamental change. That the couple don't have anything in the UK seems likely - I don't have any personal property in NZ outside of investments.

There will always be edge cases and it may be in the public interest to continue to harm those people - that's how public policy works. It's also in the public interest for them to be reported and the government challenged on them.

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