Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | ... | 819 | 820 | 821 | 822 | 823 | 824 | 825 | 826 | 827 | 828 | 829 | 830 | 831 | 832 | 833 | 834 | 835 | 836 | 837 | 838 | 839 | ... | 999
msukiwi
977 posts

Ultimate Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2529428 27-Jul-2020 13:47
Send private message quote this post

wellygary:Snip... If the review determines that the way the decisions were made was not legal, they will be made in a different way next time....

 

If people start to bring cases saying they were illegally detained, I would suspect that parliament will retrospectively legalise them ......

 

I would HOPE that they did! (retrospectively legalise them)


GV27
2322 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529430 27-Jul-2020 13:52
Send private message quote this post

This isn't some petty loophole about a cop not wearing a hat while writing a speeding ticket (or indeed, an out-of-date oath, which has been the basis for a retrospective law change previously). 

 

An order locking down the entire country that has insufficient legal standing being retro-actively legalised is chilling stuff. If government doesn't have to follow due process for that, then why should it have to follow due process for anything? Don't have a search warrant? Don't worry, we can just change it so that you didn't need one. And so on. 

 

There was a point after which the orders made by Bloomfield are accepted as compliant with legislation. This is to do with the lockdown up to that point, not after.


 
 
 
 


1101
2276 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529431 27-Jul-2020 13:53
Send private message quote this post

They may need to amend NZ's Bill Of Rights .
I think thats the loophole that wont be a easy fix .

 

This legality issue should have been sorted Jan/Feb when it was obvious what was possibly coming our way.


Fred99
10947 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529433 27-Jul-2020 13:55
Send private message quote this post

532 more cases and 6 more deaths in Victoria.

 

Looks like they're losing the battle - and are going to pay the human and financial cost for not locking down to ~ level 4 for a few weeks.

 

 


tdgeek
21380 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2529473 27-Jul-2020 13:57
Send private message quote this post

GV27:

 

wellygary:

 

Of great interest to law school academics and those with way to much time on their hands, 

 

As for its implications for real life not so much,

 

 

I suspect the people who were charged with lockdown offences in the early days of Level 4 would probably disagree.

 

You can't really have the Prime Minister get up and threaten people with detainment for not complying with an order that hasn't got correct legal standing.

 

Turning a blind eye to it because the PM is being praised for being an effective communicator isn't a sound basis for constitutional conduct. 

 

 

 

 

I suspect the people who now live in a Covid free and practically restriction free society would probably disagree.

 

 

 

Its actually about a point of law, not politics, there are threads for those


KrazyKid
907 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  #2529474 27-Jul-2020 13:57
Send private message quote this post

Didn't we pass new laws when going from stage 2 to stage 1 to block any possible loop hole.
Don't think they were retrospective though...

 

Either way this seems just a waste of money. I suspect almost everyone now thinks the government made the right call with the lockdown.
It wasn't like the could enforce the lockdown if significant numbers of the population disagreed anyway.


tdgeek
21380 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2529478 27-Jul-2020 14:01
Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

532 more cases and 6 more deaths in Victoria.

 

Looks like they're losing the battle - and are going to pay the human and financial cost for not locking down to ~ level 4 for a few weeks.

 

 

 

 

Yep, there is only one way IMO

 

The public wont wear it, and I dont mean the mask. Thats a huge issue now. They never had a full lockdown, and even then, the flouters seemed a lot worse than here. Its a team of 6 million, 3 won't cut it. The public won't comply enough IMHO


 
 
 
 


freitasm
BDFL - Memuneh
68387 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  #2529480 27-Jul-2020 14:03
Send private message quote this post

All of you making the case of "ILLEGAL!!!!!" are forgetting one thing: who in your family would you like to volunteer to die of COVID-19?

 

Everyone complaining of government overreach in a situation where it was trying to make good for the people make it look like the government was actually acting in an authoritarian state to remove people's rights forever.

 

Get a grip. Don't like it here, go to Trump's America where real federal stormtroopers are going around rounding up citizens for just asking for the police to stop killing black people.





 

 

These links are referral codes

 

Geekzone broadband switch | Eletricity comparison and switch | Hatch investment (NZ$ 10 bonus if NZ$100 deposited within 30 days) | Sharesies | Mighty Ape | Backblaze | Amazon | My technology disclosure


mattwnz
16710 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529481 27-Jul-2020 14:08
Send private message quote this post

^^ Exactly. NZ doesn't want to become another Victoria where there are going to be lots of deaths in the coming weeks. I read that there is about a 3 week lag in new cases, to deaths occurring.   Someone in their 50's, which isn't old, died yesterday from this virus in Victoria.

 

 

 

This is also a bit of a concern. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122253935/coronavirus-another-day-with-no-new-cases  Potentially it could indicate some community transmission occurred, although it is also likely they caught it in Singapore which in transit. I would like to see testing of close contacts in NZ who are associated with this person


tdgeek
21380 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2529484 27-Jul-2020 14:14
Send private message quote this post

mattwnz:

 

^^ Exactly. NZ doesn't want to become another Victoria where theer are going to be lots of deaths. Someone in teh 50's, which isn't old, died yesterday from this viru in Victoria.

 

 

 

This is also a bit of a concern. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122253935/coronavirus-another-day-with-no-new-cases  Potentially it could indicate some community transmission occurred, although it is also likely they caught it in Singapore which in transit. I would like to see testing of close contacts in NZ who are associated with this person

 

 

I was looking at when they arrived, but can't find that. The articile reads as if they had the virus and arrived. When did they arrive and when did they get tested and where were they in between? Isn't that the $64000 question?


ezbee
322 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #2529485 27-Jul-2020 14:16
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

mattwnz:

 

^^ Exactly. NZ doesn't want to become another Victoria where theer are going to be lots of deaths. Someone in teh 50's, which isn't old, died yesterday from this viru in Victoria.

 

 

 

This is also a bit of a concern. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122253935/coronavirus-another-day-with-no-new-cases  Potentially it could indicate some community transmission occurred, although it is also likely they caught it in Singapore which in transit. I would like to see testing of close contacts in NZ who are associated with this person

 

 

I was looking at when they arrived, but can't find that. The articile reads as if they had the virus and arrived. When did they arrive and when did they get tested and where were they in between? Isn't that the $64000 question?

 

 

Apparently they had 6 days to pick it up on their travels, indeed the act of travelling is pretty risky these days.

 

Maybe 5 days, seems there were some days in Korea before they were picked, up ?  Article could have given us the testing date in Korea to be sure.

 

Maybe 1 day if tested on the 22nd right on arrival, or do they test later in isolation ? 

 

""The individual left New Zealand six days ago on 21 July and arrived in South Korea on 22 July after transiting through Singapore. The traveller has no symptoms but returned a positive test on arrival.
""

 

Update, yeh dates not lining up.


GV27
2322 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529494 27-Jul-2020 14:30
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

I suspect the people who now live in a Covid free and practically restriction free society would probably disagree.

 

Its actually about a point of law, not politics, there are threads for those

 

 

Like I saw, 'the ends justify the means' is not a great platform for legal decision making! But we will see what the Court says - this has a lot more credibility than the guys who claimed a violation of habeas corpus - the person who has made the review request is a respected draftsperson who has acknowledged the work Bloomfield did in containing the pandemic.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122209707/coronavirus-high-court-to-hear-lockdown-legal-ins-and-outs 


Fred99
10947 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529495 27-Jul-2020 14:31
Send private message quote this post

It's also possible that the test was a false positive.

 

We'll have to wait and see.  The odds of the case being contracted from CT in NZ is very small.  


wellygary
4909 posts

Uber Geek


  #2529499 27-Jul-2020 14:35
Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

It's also possible that the test was a false positive.

 

We'll have to wait and see.  The odds of the case being contracted from CT in NZ is very small.  

 

 

 

 

Agreed the odds are low, but the hideously low testing levels are not giving any degree of confidence

 

19-July 681   20-July 1007   21-July 2191   22-July 2419   23-July 2830   24-July 2307   25-July 1754   26-July 550  


tdgeek
21380 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2529504 27-Jul-2020 14:40
Send private message quote this post

GV27:

 

Like I saw, 'the ends justify the means' is not a great platform for legal decision making! But we will see what the Court says - this has a lot more credibility than the guys who claimed a violation of habeas corpus - the person who has made the review request is a respected draftsperson who has acknowledged the work Bloomfield did in containing the pandemic.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122209707/coronavirus-high-court-to-hear-lockdown-legal-ins-and-outs 

 

 

Again. You are making it sound like the Govt thought to itself, hey its against the law, but its a good reason, so bugger it, lets break the law. Do you really think that was the case? Its not like that and you know it. There have been occasions where clarification was asked on various legal matters. NZ is not a dictatorship that flout the law as and when required

 

Im fully in favour of the review. The politics thread is the other ones. And before you reply, yes it is, #thinlyveiled


1 | ... | 819 | 820 | 821 | 822 | 823 | 824 | 825 | 826 | 827 | 828 | 829 | 830 | 831 | 832 | 833 | 834 | 835 | 836 | 837 | 838 | 839 | ... | 999
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic




News »

HP unveils new innovations for businesses adapting to rapidly evolving workstyles and workforces
Posted 17-Sep-2020 15:36


GoPro launches new HERO9 Black camera
Posted 17-Sep-2020 09:45


Telecommunications industry launches new 5G Facts website
Posted 17-Sep-2020 07:56


New Zealand ranks 3rd in world in GSMA index
Posted 15-Sep-2020 10:13


Trend Micro Security Suite adds web monitoring to prevent identity theft
Posted 14-Sep-2020 15:37


NVIDIA to acquire Arm for US$ 40 billion
Posted 14-Sep-2020 12:27


Epson launches its next gen A3+ colour EcoTank multi-function printer
Posted 10-Sep-2020 16:08


Sony launches three new native 4K SXRD home cinema projectors
Posted 9-Sep-2020 18:00


Catalyst Cloud brings Kubernetes-based open-source web hosting solution to market
Posted 9-Sep-2020 17:54


Verizon Connect eyes further growth in New Zealand
Posted 8-Sep-2020 09:26


PNY launches XLR8 gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 series powered by the all-new NVIDIA Ampere architecture
Posted 3-Sep-2020 16:39


NVIDIA delivers greatest-ever generational leap with GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs
Posted 3-Sep-2020 16:17


Weta Digital advances visual effects and animation in the cloud with AWS
Posted 2-Sep-2020 17:09


Kiwrious lab-in-the-pocket kit designed for schoolchildren
Posted 28-Aug-2020 09:03


Fitbit introduces Sense, its most advanced health smartwatch
Posted 26-Aug-2020 10:14



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.